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Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by jasonjmcghee on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:19PM (#46007129)
I'm out of the loop on pricing models for fonts, but is it normal to base it on number of visitors to your site?
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by stronglikedan on Friday November 21, 2025 @02:54PM (#46008232)
Yes, and this pricing is quite reasonable too.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by LimeLimestone on Friday November 21, 2025 @03:52PM (#46008851)
I'm even more outside the loop, what happens if on my personal blog I don't have any analytics and don't do any metering so I have no idea how many visitors I get?
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by acherion on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:00PM (#46008942)
The way these kinds of fonts work is that you don't host the font, they do. You link the font licence you purchased through your HTML code (or CSS, depending on how the foundry recommends you to apply the font) with a specific font URL that they provide you, which will contain unique identifiers. Then they can track how often the font gets loaded.

If your site really kicks off and you max out those visits per month (that they track on their end), they either start charging you the higher tier, cut off loading your font, or send you stern emails.

There is no expectation that you share your analytics with a type foundry.

Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by entropie on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:23PM (#46009145)
> You link the font licence you purchased through your HTML code

Ugh, hard pass for me. It a nice font thought

Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by petercooper on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:42PM (#46009310)
Not to take away from your fantastic explanation but I should note that’s not universal. There are foundries that operate on an honor basis and let you self host the font too.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by acherion on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:54PM (#46010547)
Noted, I thought Future Fonts did the same system as many other type foundries out there, evidently not. Thanks for letting me know.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by tobr on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:45PM (#46009353)
That’s not true. I’ve bought fonts on Future Fonts and I received a download link to get the files. I think it’s fundamentally an honor system.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by acherion on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:53PM (#46010537)
My bad, I assumed Future Fonts did something similar to other type foundries. Thanks for letting me know!
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by JasonSage on Friday November 21, 2025 @05:23PM (#46009729)
When there's a license you're either violating the license agreement or you're not. That's not an honor system.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by tshaddox on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:03PM (#46010112)
No, "honor system" is very frequently used and understood to refer to a system where there are explicit rules but where the rules are not enforced via active surveillance.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by JasonSage on Saturday November 22, 2025 @02:01PM (#46017286)
It sounds like you want to make a judgement call: "they're too small to enforce this license agreement," so you get to pretend it's an honor system and not a license agreement.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by tobr on Saturday November 29, 2025 @05:20PM (#46091349)
The context was whether there is automatic enforcement, not whether you need to abide by the license.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by hatthew on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:08PM (#46010156)
Who's going to verify whether or not you're violating the license?
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by drob518 on Saturday November 22, 2025 @10:11AM (#46015363)
God
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by fainpul on Saturday November 22, 2025 @04:29AM (#46013423)
What you describe is how Google Fonts handles this if you choose to use the fonts directly from Google's servers. This is a violation of GDPR. You can also download them and host them yourself, to comply with data protection laws.

https://cookie-script.com/blog/google-fonts-and-gdpr

Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by dpark on Saturday November 22, 2025 @11:33AM (#46015962)
This is a good thing to point people at when they claim that GDPR is simple to implement. This legal interpretation is totally reasonable but it’s probably not what most developers would expect.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by 47282847 on Saturday November 22, 2025 @01:35PM (#46017074)
The law itself is very clear and concise so it is straightforward to find that this is not only a reasonable interpretation but right there in the law.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by dpark on Saturday November 22, 2025 @08:15PM (#46019845)
I would not describe 88 pages as concise.

Regardless, my point is just that there are implications of the GDPR that a lot of engineers are probably not aware of. It makes sense that sending your traffic to Google for fonts violates GDPR. But as an engineer, this is just a CDN. I would not have considered this a violation of GDPR without seeing someone else point it out.

Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by thelogicguy on Friday November 21, 2025 @02:21PM (#46007895)
This is consistent with photo licensing, which is often scaled based on the potential number of viewers for both print and digital.
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by lol768 on Saturday November 22, 2025 @07:20AM (#46014238)
> This is consistent with photo licensing

On the contrary, I would say this is increasingly unusual nowadays. There are print restrictions on e.g. iStock content, but there's no attempt to "ration" the number of visitors that see a stock photo at a specific price point.

It's something that's generally put me off from licensing paid fonts - despite the work that has gone into them, because you're almost signing a blank cheque and it's not easy to know how many visitors are scraping content for LLMs.

Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by bobbylarrybobby on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:22PM (#46007179)
Yes
Re:Shop Sans is a typeface for curved text paths by youngtaff on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:22PM (#46007175)
Depends on the vendor… some also prevent things like subsetting or rely on methods for counting usage that slow down pages (Typekit)