If the AI bubble pops it's just another bubble like the many ones that have occurred throughout history and the market eventually recovers.

In the AGI Succeeds scenario, the situation is unprecedented and it's not clear how it ever gets better.

Tbh, the answer is simple: if we truly get AGI, the government would nationalize it because it's a matter of national security and prosperity for that matter. Everything will change forever. Agriculture, Transportation, Health... Breakthrough after breakthrough after breakthrough. The country would hold the actual key to solve almost any problem.

when you write it out like that, it sounds unfathomably… silly.

I'm not a tinfoil hat skeptic, and i'd like to think i can accept the rationale behind the possibility. But I don't think we're remotely close as people seem to think.

The government only nationalises losses, not wins.

The key to typing out the solution to any problem, not actually solving it.

Looking at the current state of politics around the world...you really think that would be the outcome?

AGI? Absolutely. If your country gets there, would anyone relinquish that type of power and knowledge?

As technology changes over history, governments tend to emerge that reflect the part of the population that can maintain a monopoly of violence.

In the Classical Period, it was the citizen soldiers of Rome and Greece, at least in the west. These produced the ancient republics and proto-democracies.

Later replaced by professional standing armies under people like Alexander and the Ceasars. This allowed kings and emperors.

In the Early to Mid Medieaval time, they were replaced by knights, elites who allowed a few men to defeat commoners many times their number. This caused feudalism.

Near the end of the period, pikes and crossbows and improved logistic systems shifted power back to central governments, primarily kings/emperors.

Then, with rifles, this swung the pendulum all the way back to citizen soldiers between the 18th and early 20th century, which brought back democracies and republics.

Now the pendulum is going in the opposite direction. Technology and capital distribution has already effectively moved a lot of power back to an oligarchic elite.

And if full AGI combined with robots more physically capable than humans, it can swing all the way. In principle a single monarch could gain monopoly of violence over an entire country.

Do not take for granted that our current undertanding of what the government is, is going to stay the same.

Some kind of merger between capital and power seems likely, where democratic elections quickly become completely obsolete.

Once the police and military have been mostly automated, I don't think our current system is going to last very long.

> Tbh, the answer is simple: if we truly get AGI, the government would nationalize it

If you truly get AGI, you are highly unlikely to be able to reliably control it let alone nationalise it. And it is highly unlikely that only a single country would reach it. Chances at least one other country would. And AGI would be eventually weaponised against other countries successfully or not.

the changes of AGI causing huge damage in the world would be very real. Unlike a WMD, the damage isn't necessarily visible, immediate or obvious.

Third option: no bailouts of any type. Don't socialize losses. The board resets itself again, and let entrepreneurs, small businesses flourish again.

Bailouts for chip fabicration and nothing else.

Does the USA even have enough money to rescue the tech giants at this point? We could be talking multiple trillion dollars at worst. And the AI only companies like OpenAI and Anthropic would be the most vulnerable in comparison to say Google or Microsoft, because they have no fallback and no sustainability without investor money.

And Nvidia would be left in a weird place where the vast majority of their profits are coming from AI cards and demand would potentially dry up entirely.

All these companies don’t have piles of debt. So why would they need a bailout at all?

That is a huge problem.

We were not pushing 40 trillion in debt at the time of the great financial crisis.

The TARP was a max of 700 billion and we didn't even disburse all the funds.

Trying to do a bailout of this size could easily cause a crisis in the treasury market. Then we really are in huge trouble.

Microsoft, Google, etc are printing money despite the bubble, not because.

Don't see why they would need rescuing.

There is talk about bailout, but is it first possible. Second how long will it post pone issue. Massive increase in government debt used in bailout likely leads to more inflation, which leads to higher interest rates, making that debt much more expensive. And at some point credibility of that debt and dollar in general will be gone.

Ofc, this does lead to ever increasing paper valuations. So maybe that is the win they are after.

> with bailouts going to the largest players

> I honestly don't see a third option unless there is government intervention

Bailouts are government intervention. The third option is an absence of government intervention, at least at the business level. By all means intervene in the form of support for impacted individuals, e.g. making sure people have food on the table. Stop intervening to save businesses that fail.

It's slim but the 3rd option is the administration falling apart Nixon-style. Be it by death, conviction, or resignation.

The slimmer part is any potential successors suddenly responding to the people, but maybe that happens in congress in 2027. Still up in the air.