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Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by coldtea on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @08:09AM (#45965235)
>Yes, people who judge others like this are anti-social assholes

On the contrary, since many (if not most) people do it, they're on the social side.

>Once again: rationalizations don't make something true

When it comes to social truths, what most people do make them so.

If most people think X bad, X is bad is a social truth. Doens't matter if you think X is "not bad in reality". Reality doesn't care about good or bad anyway, it doesn't have a morality.

Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by whstl on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @09:13AM (#45966275)
Nope. Actions that harm social bonds, judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it.

Also this post has the classic logical error of assuming that because something is a certain way, it should be that way.

> Reality doesn't care about good or bad

Likewise: What you call "social truths" are real in that they shape behavior and consequences, but they’re conventions, not objective moral facts, and they can be unjust or oppressive.

Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by coldtea on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @09:54AM (#45966975)
>judging that shames, excludes, or hurts is antisocial even if many people do it.

That's a modern dellusion.

Sociology (and common wisdom) tells us that judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" is necessary for the development of morality, social cohesion, and cooperation.

Note: not any random judgment "that shames, excludes, or hurts" has this possitive role, but plenty of judgements that "shame, exclude, or hurt", meaning that judgement that "shames, excludes, or hurts" is a useful social tool.

Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by whstl on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @09:57AM (#45967015)
And there is nothing positive or productive about the kind of judgement I'm talking about.
Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by lazide on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @10:04AM (#45967129)
What kind are you talking about?

Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole.

Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole.

Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by whstl on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @10:13AM (#45967269)
I'm criticizing being an asshole to people who are not naturally the way society expects and had to work their way through.

But to be fair I'm mostly criticizing useless HN post-hoc rationalization.

> Refusing to be an asshole to someone being an asshole just enables them being an asshole.

I have nothing to do with this.

> Refusing to judge if someone is being an asshole, ensures that someone being an asshole will see no consequences for being an asshole.

I also have nothing to do with this.

Re:My six stages of learning to be a socially normal person by lazide on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @03:32PM (#45971644)
How is someone supposed to know that the person acting like an asshole is doing it because of some ‘good’ reason, or because they are just a jerk?