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Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by rob74 on Friday November 14, 2025 @12:35AM (#45924183)
Yes, I think the crux of the matter is what constitutes fair use and what doesn't. And I would say that a summary in an encyclopedia article about a copyrighted work is not only fair use, but also in the work's own interest, while being ingested and regurgitated by an LLM isn't, so... The article only mentions that twice, in passing.
Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by bawolff on Friday November 14, 2025 @12:58AM (#45924287)
What are you basing that on?

Fair use in usa is based on 4 factors - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors

I think LLM summarizing a work would largely meet the traditional test.

Im also not sure why llm summarizing the work wouldnt be in the interest of the work. It seems like it would to me to the same extent a wikipedia summary would be.

Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by melevittfl on Friday November 14, 2025 @12:57AM (#45924285)
No, it’s more fundamental than fair use. Fair use is a defence to a copyright infringement. It’s an argument that, yes, I did violate the copyright of the creator, but my violation should be allowed.

The issue here is, what are creators allowed to own and control. It’s about the fundamental question of what copyright gives the creators control over.

Does creating a picture mean you own the right to its description? And you have the right to prevent anyone else from describing your picture?

Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by bawolff on Friday November 14, 2025 @01:02AM (#45924301)
Does creating a movie give you the right to its novelization? I think the answer would be yes. With that in mind why wouldn't creating a picture give you the right to its description (subject to fair use)

In general i think fair use serves as a good balance for these types of questions.

Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by bigbadfeline on Friday November 14, 2025 @04:05AM (#45925189)
> Does creating a movie give you the right to its novelization?

Go to imdb and see some of plot summaries there. Is that what you call "novelization"? Are you going to sue that site?

Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by bawolff on Friday November 14, 2025 @06:08AM (#45925762)
> Is that what you call "novelization"?

No, because that's not what the definition of novelization is. By novelization i mean when someone makes a novel version of a movie.

The point im trying to make here is we regularly expect translations from one medium to another to be copyrighted, so why is this different?

> Are you going to sue that site?

No, because i believe it to be a pretty text book example of fair use.

Re:Copyright winter is coming (to Wikipedia?) by DangitBobby on Friday November 14, 2025 @12:48AM (#45924246)
There's no reason the LLMs summary would not be considered "in the work's own interest" if Wikipedia's summary is.