I guess that's a reason to call the cops and report an abduction. Sorry, I'm a stupid European, that how we would handle such a situation.

I hate to invoke the comparison, and not to diminish the Holocaust at all, but to give you a better idea of what's happening in the US right now: what's happening could be compared to the Gestapo rounding up the Jews.

Innocent people are being rounded up by a faceless secret police, violently, in a terrorising manner, and taken to detention centres, with their human rights abused at every stage, with no due process and their fate unknown. This is beyond reporting to the local police department.

It seems to me exactly the same.

An arbitrary group has been selected as being an enemy, they are used to present justifications for breaking law and due process, you then develop a large organization (Gestapo/ICE) accustomed to following orders and ignoring the law - if you're going to subvert the political system, you need to possess the means to force you will on the population. You need a large group of men who will perform violence when ordered to do so, regardless of law and due process.

I mean we all know where this is going. There are not going to be free and fair elections again. This isn't a blip, it's a plan.

It's not exactly the same, there are some similarities. There are still free elections happening in the US, there are still courts that rule against the government. And as far as I know those arrested people don't get killed. It's not the same, but it could move into the same direction.

> An arbitrary group has been selected as being an enemy

It is not an arbitrary group, it’s a group of people who are residing in the United States illegally.

> Gestapo/ICE

If Mexico is so awful that being deported there is tantamount to the Holocaust, why would you ever be in favor of allowing Mexicans to enter the United States without going through the legal channels to ensure that the people who come here are not creating the problems that make deportation to Mexico comparable to being sent to Auschwitz?

as a european then you really should know since a lot of us had dictatorships and secret police. the gestapo wasnt that long ago and most european communist states had the same issues good luck calling the police

I've never lived in a dictatorship, but I know a lot of people who did, and told me their stories.

But from reading this article I couldn't tell if there is a massive crime surge in Chicago, or if it's police brutality, or both. Which is funny, because the article claims to explain ("I want you to understand").

It's not particularly a "surge" in crime, as the issue (illegal immigrants) has built up over time.

However, in years past, everybody just kind of overlooks it--and on the local level, it's basically not a problem beyond the normal folks being mad at demographics changing. Most all of the immigrants are working and participating in the economy--ironically, making them more vulnerable to the .gov than if they were just criminals!--and that's fine for the cities.

But, now, the federal .gov (under the direction of Trump et al) is deciding to finally enforce the law and doing so in the most cartoonishly thuggish and evil way possible.

"Fears about immigration" are bullshit inevitably most pushed by people who don't even live in areas with immigrants (legal or not).

Eh, they're not, though, and you disregard them at your peril--just look at where we are now.

It's not for no reason this particular issue has been used so effectively. I'm not saying you have to agree with them, and I'm not saying that you have to believe their belief is coherent or sensical, but if you don't recognize that those beliefs are held honestly and widely you're in for a rude surprise...as we saw in the 2024 election (and before that, the 2016 election).

If the Native Americans had been slightly more fearful of immigrants we might be having this conversation in Cherokee.

Think Stasi, not conventional security forces. You do not call the cops on the secret police, if you're living under the sort of regime that's really keen on secret police.

If it looks like secret police, it probably is secret police.