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Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dangus on Saturday November 08, 2025 @10:38AM (#45857411)
You don’t even have to read the article. There is no such thing as a CEO held accountable.

Just look at Elon’s insane pay package, approved in a landslide. The skulls of the average shareholder must echo like a cave.

And the rich accuse the poor of their poverty being their own fault, because they are just being irresponsible, making bad decisions, and spending unwisely. They should look in the mirror.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by coliveira on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:00AM (#45857607)
Investors in companies such as Tesla are adept of the greater fool theory. As long as somebody else will pay more for the useless shares, they'll continue to support the company.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dvt on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:13AM (#45857708)
> The skulls of the average shareholder must echo like a cave.

Given you calling these people stupid, I'd be shocked if you out-earned them over the past 15 years[1]. And if your counter-argument will be "that's a bad yardstick" then what yardstick shall we use? I own no TSLA stock, nor do I particularly like Musk, but this weird irrational hatred just doesn't seem to contribute anything other than reiterating the (oh so boring) liberal "Musk bad" zeitgeist talking points.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/roe

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by oakejp12 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:35AM (#45857940)
Doesn’t seem pretty boring and unreasonable to me to hate a Nazi and who’s contributing to building a mechahilter.

At least, these were previously American values to hate these people.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by phelddagrif on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:20AM (#45857782)
yes yes my favorite objective the measure of intelligence: earnings yield
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dvt on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:27AM (#45857866)
If you're a trader, isn't the whole idea maximizing your earnings yield? My point was that gp called these people stupid, but the numbers show they're smart.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by stackghost on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:53AM (#45858082)
>this weird irrational hatred

He's a literal Nazi who gave the sieg heil salute on national television.

It's not irrational for people to think he's a bad person.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dangus on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:37AM (#45857963)
Oh you have mistaken me greatly.

This isn’t a liberal/conservative thing.

This is a class conflict thing.

The rich are stupid, just like everyone else. That in itself goes against the narrative that has been woven in our corporate mass media, the accepted narrative that makes it seem as though the rich are meritous and deserve to hoard wealth.

This lie told to all of us, among other lies, protects the rich from having their ill-gotten gains seized by the working people. It’s worth reminding everyone that the riches of the few depend entirely on the labor of the many. They need us more than we need them. Their illusion of the legality of their private ownership of excessive wealth depends on physical protection provided by the working class. If every OpenAI employee quit, if every Sam Altman bodyguard and doorman quit, if every police officer refused to protect the wealthy, these people would be financially worthless. And it really is as simple as that, it wouldn’t even be that hard to shatter the illusion.

To bring this back to being relevant to the article, this illusion is why CEOs will never be held accountable for their actions. Shareholders are part of the pyramid scheme feeding everyone on the very top. Failures of the visionary founder CEO are like failures of Kim Jong Un: certainly not their fault! Your undying support as a shareholder is required to right the ship. Your lack of faith is what caused the failure in the first place.

Of course I haven’t out-earned them, I don’t have an army of accountants and lawyers working due me to dodge taxes and avoid complying with laws, access to private equity investment, insider trading knowledge, and all of my income is W2, so my tax rate is about 4x higher than any billionaire.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by bigstrat2003 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @10:42AM (#45857442)
Yeah, a CEO being "held accountable" looks like "we will pay you enormous sums of money to leave the company". Just once I would like to see the CEO of some big corp face actual consequences for running the company badly, but I'm not holding my breath.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by 0_____0 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @10:58AM (#45857591)
May I introduce you to the Enron scandal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skilling

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dangus on Saturday November 08, 2025 @12:34PM (#45858402)
Can you imagine such a punishment occurring under the current administration?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7ek63e5xyo

One reason of many why I say that the CEO class is no longer accountable for anything. Laws do not exist for them.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by the__alchemist on Saturday November 08, 2025 @10:55AM (#45857563)
Are you sure you can't think of any examples?
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dylan604 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:25AM (#45857828)
SBF was convicted and sentenced to 25 years.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by bgwalter on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:44AM (#45858017)
The alternative interpretation of the approval of Musk's pay package is that the stakeholders know the goals are unrealistic, but they want to keep the hype going in order to exit quietly.

The Optimus narrative is so obviously a fraud. The things can "dance" and play chess, but they cannot operate in dirt, scrub the kitchen, etc. Even if they succeed, BYD will build a $7000 Optimus. Intimidation of crowds and barking orders at humans (for example for the human to clean the kitchen floor) seem the only somewhat realistic goals.

Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by rhetocj23 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @05:44PM (#45860710)
Tesla is driven by the notion that as long as there is a greater fool, the volatility of the stock is welcomed. It bemuses me when people dont understand this. Its the thing money managers have been thirsting for in order to show great investing performance - provided they can time their entry and exit on positions.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by riku_iki on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:03AM (#45857628)
CEOs who fraud superrich totally go to jail.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by dylan604 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:23AM (#45857812)
but if you play your cards right, you can then get pardoned.
Re:Why Sam Altman Won't Be on the Hook for OpenAI's Spending... by riku_iki on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:27AM (#45857860)
Playing cards right means do not upset superrich. Robbing taxpayers and pension funds is Ok.