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Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by qingcharles on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @08:43PM (#45818080)
This WorldCoin image will forever live rent free in my head:

https://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/08...

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by bigyabai on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @09:40PM (#45818371)
"How does it work?"

"It's magic. All technology is."

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by joomla199 on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @09:58PM (#45818469)
Given that we don’t know why electromagnetism exists, this is basically true for many technologies.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by hoppp on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @12:22AM (#45819476)
We don't know why the world itself exists so everything is magic
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by KumaBear on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @02:55AM (#45820504)
There doesn’t need to be a why the world exists. It does that’s all there is to know. There doesn’t have to be purpose just an explanation of how not why
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by hnbad on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @03:57AM (#45820892)
GP probably meant "how" as in "By what mechanisms" not "why" as in "For what purposes". So "why" as in "what makes it do what it does".
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by Joker_vD on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:11AM (#45820971)
Well, it does what it does because it's shaped like itself.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by hnbad on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:42AM (#45821174)
Sure but that's somewhat tautological and not very helpful if you seek an empirical or predictive understanding of it. The question really is what complexity of the system (meaning: all of it) is irreducible and what can at least be approximated with simplified models.

You may balk at this as being ultimately futile but our entire existence is built on trying to break apart and simplify the world we exist in, starting with the first cut between self/inside and other/outside (i.e. "this is me" vs "this is where I am" - a distinction that becomes immensely relevant after the moment of birth). Language itself only functions because we can create categories it can operate on - regardless of whether those categories consistenly map to reality itself.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lurk2 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:42AM (#45821495)
This but unironically.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by wartywhoa23 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @08:45AM (#45822749)
This is true, and the fact that humans mostly become blind to this magic past the age of 5 is one of the reasons we live in such a dismal world.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:11PM (#45828786)
Speak for yourself. That "we" is presumptuous.

The cause of the universe must itself be uncaused, or else it is only an intermediate cause that must itself refer ultimately to an uncaused cause. An infinite regress is impossible with respect to existence. Unlike causes per accidens which can in principle be infinite in length, a cause `per se` cannot; without a terminus, there would be nowhere from which the latter causes would derive their force, so to speak, like an arm pushing a stick that is pushing a rock that is pushing a leaf. Meaning, the cause is not some distant one in time, but one always acting; otherwise, everything would vanish. The only cause that could have this property is self-subsisting being.

From there, you can know quite a bit about what else must be true of self-subsisting being.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @02:43AM (#45820432)
What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by gizajob on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:46AM (#45821197)
What does U(1) symmetry in gauge theory arise from?
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by mzajc on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:20AM (#45821373)
Not from bribes and/or moving faster than the regulators. Altman's projects, on the other hand...
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by vmilner on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:59AM (#45821249)
It's turtles all the way down.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:28AM (#45821422)
At some point the answer is “because that’s what reality is.”
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:00PM (#45828663)
If by "reality" you mean "the universe", then the way the universe is depends on a cause, as the existence of the universe is not explained by the universe itself (even an "eternal" universe). Its existence is contingent on some other cause that ultimately cannot be contingent and thus does not require explanation.

So the cause or dare I say reason for the universe being the way it is will depend on its cause.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @06:35PM (#45829537)
The universe just is that way because it is. THAT is the root cause.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Thursday November 06, 2025 @05:08PM (#45841083)
That's not a cause. That's a tautological assertion that obscured by the use of the word "because".
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Thursday November 06, 2025 @11:34PM (#45843584)
And you have an implied axiomatic assertion that everything must have a cause, even though that necessarily results in an infinite recursion of cause-finding.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Friday November 07, 2025 @09:32AM (#45846784)
Nowhere did I say or imply everything needs a cause. That's your baggage. In fact, it is the exact opposite: that because an infinite regress is incoherent and impossible, there must be some necessary uncaused cause where the buck stops.

"The universe" cannot be that cause, as the universe and everything in it is contingent.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by gizajob on Thursday November 06, 2025 @10:57AM (#45836593)
I feel like the language of this argument is self-undermining. The existence of the universe being dependent on a cause that is itself not contingent on anything else… As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Thursday November 06, 2025 @05:10PM (#45841112)
> As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.

But the universe is contingent. It isn't necessary. It is one big chain of dependence.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by joomla199 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:19AM (#45824676)
I said why, not how, for a reason. I did expect some idiots to come around arguing though.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Thursday November 06, 2025 @11:35PM (#45843588)
In science, it is the same thing.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by Vespasian on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @03:38AM (#45820783)
What exactly am I looking at?
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by Nursie on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:04AM (#45820926)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)

A Sam Altman project which seemingly popped up out of nowhere, and offered people free money in exchange for biometric registration on the network, in a lot of countries all over the world. It seemed to be an attempt to set up some sort of global electronic ID system and currency all in one.

That silver sphere is an iris scanner, IIRC.

Got shut down pretty hard in a bunch of places as a potentially illegal invasion of privacy.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by CaptainZapp on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:14AM (#45820989)
>A Sam Altman project which seemingly popped up out of nowhere, and offered people free money

Was it free money? I recall that it was some shitcoin token paid out, which may or may not be worth something.

I could be wrong, of course.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by Nursie on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:20AM (#45821022)
It was 'worldcoin'. And yes I used the term 'money' very loosely there.

Apparently the token was only offered in some countries, and in some places where it was offered, that was considered enough of a bribe to render void the informed consent to collect and process private data.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by ben_w on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:23AM (#45821043)
Depending on degree of cynicism*, both takes are compatible with what was observable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)

* For what it's worth, my cynicism for Worldcoin and that eye scanner thing is currently about 7/10: moderately high but could be much worse.

By comparison, I'm 9/10 in cynicism for Facebook and 10/10 in cynicism for everything Musk does except SpaceX, my SpaceX cynicism is only 5/10.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by tim333 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @06:06AM (#45821608)
It was crypto coins that you could trade for money. I did it and have got about $300 worth.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by Vespasian on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:47AM (#45821201)
Ah got it. I've heard about that but apparently were behind how Iris scanners look these days.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by benterix on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:35AM (#45821463)
> but apparently were behind how Iris scanners look these days

Not necessarily - they look whatever you want them to look. In this case sama wanted to create a feeling of futurism - the story being he is leading a global AGI revolution and you can be a part of it by staring in a metal ball.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by kotaKat on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @06:42AM (#45821799)
Just another step closer to the creepy desires of building an AI "replica" human. Gotta get the look right (with Sora), the fingerprints and iris (with Worldcoin), the personality (ChatGPT erotic mode)...
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by tim333 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @06:11AM (#45821633)
A worldcoin gizmo which is basically a digital camera and I think has some face scanner stuff like an iphone. Once they've scanned and checked you are someone who hasn't been done already they give you basically a crypto wallet with some 'worldcoin' shitcoin in. And there's an app.

You only get a scan at the start, after that it's basically a usual crypto wallet + private key. They don't ask for your name or id or anything at the start. Although they are now offering me like $25 if I'll scan my passport and do kyc stuff. I think they are trying to make it into a payment/investment network.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by tjpnz on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:58AM (#45821563)
Looks suspiciously like the robot that pumped Princess Leia full of drugs.