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Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @02:43AM (#45820432)
What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by gizajob on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:46AM (#45821197)
What does U(1) symmetry in gauge theory arise from?
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by mzajc on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:20AM (#45821373)
Not from bribes and/or moving faster than the regulators. Altman's projects, on the other hand...
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by vmilner on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:59AM (#45821249)
It's turtles all the way down.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:28AM (#45821422)
At some point the answer is “because that’s what reality is.”
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:00PM (#45828663)
If by "reality" you mean "the universe", then the way the universe is depends on a cause, as the existence of the universe is not explained by the universe itself (even an "eternal" universe). Its existence is contingent on some other cause that ultimately cannot be contingent and thus does not require explanation.

So the cause or dare I say reason for the universe being the way it is will depend on its cause.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @06:35PM (#45829537)
The universe just is that way because it is. THAT is the root cause.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Thursday November 06, 2025 @05:08PM (#45841083)
That's not a cause. That's a tautological assertion that obscured by the use of the word "because".
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Thursday November 06, 2025 @11:34PM (#45843584)
And you have an implied axiomatic assertion that everything must have a cause, even though that necessarily results in an infinite recursion of cause-finding.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Friday November 07, 2025 @09:32AM (#45846784)
Nowhere did I say or imply everything needs a cause. That's your baggage. In fact, it is the exact opposite: that because an infinite regress is incoherent and impossible, there must be some necessary uncaused cause where the buck stops.

"The universe" cannot be that cause, as the universe and everything in it is contingent.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by gizajob on Thursday November 06, 2025 @10:57AM (#45836593)
I feel like the language of this argument is self-undermining. The existence of the universe being dependent on a cause that is itself not contingent on anything else… As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by lo_zamoyski on Thursday November 06, 2025 @05:10PM (#45841112)
> As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.

But the universe is contingent. It isn't necessary. It is one big chain of dependence.

Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by joomla199 on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:19AM (#45824676)
I said why, not how, for a reason. I did expect some idiots to come around arguing though.
Re:Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, c... by adastra22 on Thursday November 06, 2025 @11:35PM (#45843588)
In science, it is the same thing.