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Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by devjab on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:31PM (#45786019)
As cool as this is there won't be an European alternative as long as all the apps you'd want to use on a smartphone require either Google Play or the Apple App store.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by nicce on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:53PM (#45786201)
Huawei just created new OS and removed all traces of Android and Linux. Just like that. If there is will, it is possible.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by kelnos on Saturday November 01, 2025 @08:17PM (#45786752)
Can it run all of the kinds of apps that people (in the EU/US markets, which is relevant to the discussion at hand) actually want to run? SalifishOS doesn't even do that, at least not for me.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by jajuuka on Saturday November 01, 2025 @10:09PM (#45787309)
If I remember correctly they have had a translation layer for android apps since they launched. But it's similar to what Apple has done with Rosetta 2 where it getting phased out for native apps only.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by fabrice_d on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:03PM (#45786289)
No, the phone variant of HarmonyOS runs on top of a Linux kernel.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by rzerowan on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:11PM (#45786347)
I believe thats being phased out slowly to be native app only with their multidevice HarmonyOSNext (mobile/pc). Once the major apps move over , last bits of linux will be excised.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by nicce on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:08PM (#45786317)
Nope, the new version removed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_NEXT

Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by fabrice_d on Saturday November 01, 2025 @08:47PM (#45786934)
Indeed, I did not see that!
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by kaoD on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:03PM (#45786291)
...if there is will, a nice state sponsor and an already existing effective infrastructure.

Europe has none of the 3.

Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by kube-system on Saturday November 01, 2025 @11:06PM (#45787566)
The will to create an OS is 0.0001% of the problem. There are tens of thousands of applications that people need to use that exist only for iPhone and Android.

There are dozens of functional mobile OSes. And OS isn’t useful unless it has application support for the tasks people want to accomplish, though.

Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by dredmorbius on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:58PM (#45786649)
The EU can address that issue through regulation and competition requirements.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by m4rtink on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:44PM (#45786555)
Aren't you basically describing a chicken and egg problem?
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by devjab on Sunday November 02, 2025 @07:28AM (#45789824)
I think it's more of an EU problem. We have so many public apps that rely on two big American tech companies solely because the EU has yet to figure out an alternative app store with enough security to make those apps available. This likely made sense 10 years ago, but today with all the talk about digital sovereignty it's frankly a little weak. It's not the OS that is the issue though, I could use graphene or similar just fine, but they wouldn't let me run a single of the apps that are the sole reason I have a smartphone. Well.. maybe the Microsoft authenticator?

I mean, I have to write exit strategies from Azure because the EU might demand our industry to leave non-EU infra. Yet ironically the digital company ID I would need to sign new contracts with within Europe aren't available without one of the two app stores. It's not that I can't sign those contracts without the ID, but I'd probably have to go to Germany in person.

Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by miohtama on Sunday November 02, 2025 @10:43AM (#45791124)
There are exit strategies, but the EU is spineless to execute them. Just like with defence.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by muyuu on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:35PM (#45786049)
it does run some sort of Android emulation layer
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by hkt on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:35PM (#45786051)
It runs Android apps. Presumably, it has access to the Play store in some capacity, or a viable alternative.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by rchaud on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:29PM (#45786458)
Access to the Play Store requires the proprietary Google Play Services code, so I doubt this has it. The alternative would be installing apps via APK files.
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by rst on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:49PM (#45786590)
According to Wikipedia,there are apps that provide an emulated Android environment ("Easy Abroad", "Droitong"), they're incomplete and glitchy, and a lot of important apps won't run at all (including banking apps and streaming services).
Re:SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominan... by poetaster on Sunday November 02, 2025 @07:05AM (#45789707)
People often use micro-g and co.