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Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by EvanAnderson on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:12PM (#4578078)
Given that there's no further development happening at Microsoft on the DOC, XLS, and PPT formats it's unclear to me why there's any advantage to Google, from a code maintenance standpoint, to removing these formats. If Google was having to invest labor in maintaining the export functionality I suppose I could understand, but I would think the export code is long-since debugged and working. What makes the cost of maintaining this old feature so high as to warrant its removal?
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by Shooti on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:11PM (#4578302)
Also worth noting that the article has since been updated to clarify that it's only the 97-2003 format which has been dropped. Export to 2003-2007 .doc .xls and .ppt formats are still supported. Plus from the way it's phrased it seems like import from 97-2003 formats will still be supported, you just can't export them that way.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by alanh on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:17PM (#4578319)
Okay, linkbait headline, then.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by timdorr on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @11:14PM (#4579115)
It was via a clarification from Google PR. The article as originally submitted was correctly reporting, as the message from Google indicated a dropping of all .doc, .xls, and .ppt format export support.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by brudgers on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @08:43PM (#4578776)
2007 Office software defaults to the new format, e.g. .docx and .xlsx
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by moystard on Thursday September 27, 2012 @05:33AM (#4579989)
It makes more sense now, it is just a non news then.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by mcpherrinm on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:14PM (#4578086)
Any changes in their own internal format would surely require maintenance of the legacy Microsoft formats, which would be quite burdensome I expect.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by brudgers on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:29PM (#4578361)
Yeah, it's not as if Google could abstract or overload the export function.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by wahnfrieden on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:04PM (#4578474)
Easier said than done. As a general principle, existing features introduce maintenance and create drag when adding new features, so they better be worth it.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by brudgers on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @08:41PM (#4578767)
It's easier to justify when you don't have customers, just data sources.

The reason to support .xls is that lots of other software besides Microsoft office use it and thus lots of people benefit from compatibility.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by wahnfrieden on Thursday September 27, 2012 @10:42AM (#4580913)
You can still import it, you just can't export to an especially old version of .xls.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by toyg on Thursday September 27, 2012 @03:53AM (#4579790)
Just do it like Microsoft products do: big warning that you could lose new features whenever you save to the old format.

I think this is a big mistake for Google.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by codeka on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @09:45PM (#4578927)
I don't think it's that simple. For example, currently Google Docs doesn't support merged cells in tables. If they add support for that in Google Docs, it means they would need to add support for it in all of the exporters as well.

So even though the format isn't changing, the subset of the format that Google works with is.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by azim on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:45PM (#4578220)
Before we get out the pitchforks, Google is still supporting the current Microsoft formats (.docx, .xlxs, .pptx). If you're still running Office 2003 or older, you can install a compatibility pack from Microsoft to support the current file formats. (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924074)
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by Shooti on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:13PM (#4578309)
Plus they've since clarified that only the 97-2003 format is being dropped, export to 2003-2007 .doc .xls .ppt is still supported.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by niggler on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:09PM (#4578063)
We need a real competitor to google docs, especially the spreadsheets.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:13PM (#4578083)
There is one: Excel (Live) or Excel (Desktop).

Try it if you haven't already by creating a Windows Live account and visiting http://skydrive.live.com and clicking the Create button at the top. You can do Word, OneNote, Excel and PowerPoint.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:46PM (#4578617)
LibreOffice. It's old-school local app though, not cloud.

There are several other Free Software tools that will provide spreadsheet compatibility, Gnumeric being among my favorite. Also the KDE office suite, KOffice.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by fafner on Thursday September 27, 2012 @06:16AM (#4580081)
They are working on a Web version called LibreOffice Online. I don't know the current state. But last year they already showed a quick demo.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by dredmorbius on Friday September 28, 2012 @12:50AM (#4584357)
Thanks.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by niggler on Friday September 28, 2012 @09:56AM (#4585494)
I'd like to have a longer discussion on the topic with you. Check my user info and shoot me an email :)
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Thursday September 27, 2012 @04:45AM (#4579903)
I'd like LibreOffice if it wasn't so clunky. It's entirely lacking polish and quality control. It has potential, but it's not there yet.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by dredmorbius on Friday September 28, 2012 @12:50AM (#4584352)
I'll admit I pretty much only use it when I must for comparability. Otherwise my preference is plain text (vim) over word processors, awk for Excel, with lighter utilities (abiword, numeric, koffice) or specialized tool (lyx) standing in for more specific tasks.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Friday September 28, 2012 @08:09AM (#4585094)
To be honest, I too used the same toolset as you for a long time, but since Office 2007, it's just not been worth it for me. I have to share a lot of documents and information with people who don't understand the UNIX tools so it's not practical.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by niggler on Friday September 28, 2012 @09:51AM (#4585468)
I'd like to have a longer discussion on the topic with you. Check my user info and shoot me an email :)
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by gruseom on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:17PM (#4578104)
especially the spreadsheets

Can you expand on that? (I work in this space.)

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by ensignavenger on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:33PM (#4578372)
Googles ability to copy formulas across cells and automatically adjust them relative to their new postion is weak compared to Excel. Basic patterns work, but if you are doing anything complex, Google just doesn't do it.

Also, Google's formating possiblities are very limited compared to Excels. I run into this limitation frequently.

There are numerous other restraints I come up against with Google Sheets occasionally, but these 2 are the ones I miss almost every time I use it.

I have not spent a lot of time with Excel Live, so I am not sure how well it competes.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by gruseom on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:37PM (#4578389)
If you have any examples handy of the kinds of formula copying or formatting you're talking about, I'd love to hear them.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by brc on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @11:53PM (#4579230)
Conditional formatting in Google Spreadsheets is hopeless to the point of not being worth trying. It needs to work on a cell by cell basis, not just column/row. And you need to be able to overload cells with more than one rule.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Thursday September 27, 2012 @04:45AM (#4579902)
This kills it for me as well. Also it's incredibly slow and glitchy even on Chrome.

Considering Office costs me less than 10GBP a month over 3 years, and works entirely offline, Google docs doesn't cut it.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by n-gauge on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:27PM (#4578353)
nooooo..... I still use word 97 on my windows 7 laptop as it does everything I need (even in 2012!). Office is just to fancy nowadays and takes up to much space - I got my word 97 install to 10 megs.

Oh well - rtf it is then.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by MartinCron on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:56PM (#4578644)
If Word 97 does everything that you need (and why wouldn't it?) why do you care what Google Docs does and does not support?
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by barbs on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:53PM (#4578636)
Have you tried Open/LibreOffice? I also find the latest versions of office too flashy, and the open-source alternatives much smaller and simpler.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by mayanksinghal on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @10:18PM (#4579009)
And slow and really really buggy (and ugly, but that doesn't matter as much). I love Ubuntu but this is one thing that always require me to switch to Windows on a dual boot machine.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by sowhata on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:25PM (#4578143)
Life would be soooooo much easier without Microsoft's closed formats. As nice as they are, they are a royal PITA when you are not using Windows. Sometimes you just need the text and images/other embedded media, not the fonts and other window dressing. Those can be added at view time if they are truly needed.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Thursday September 27, 2012 @04:49AM (#4579910)
Like all those closed incredibly hidden evil standards that they publish here for interoperability?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc313105(v=office.12...

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by fluxon on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @08:14PM (#4578690)
This is a wrong move. Recentism trashes bidirectional accessibility. Stable standards are not de facto useless.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by hackerchic on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:36PM (#4578380)
That makes sense. Not a lot of people still use the older microsoft office formats 97-2003. Do current Mac's and PC's still support those older formats?
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by guilloche on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @09:39PM (#4578915)
Finally, It is time to retire these outdated formats that bothered the world for so many years. Horay for google.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by sowhata on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:28PM (#4578158)
.csv can be imported into Excel to make .xls.

.txt can be imported into Word to make .doc.

.html can be imported into either Excel or Word.

.ppt? No comment.

.csv, .txt and .html are much easier to work with across different operating systems.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by fafner on Thursday September 27, 2012 @06:22AM (#4580090)
.csv only works for data. It doesn't work if you use any spreadsheet functionality.

.txt lacks any kind of formatting.

I don't know the current state of Word .html-Export. But in the past (late 90s/early 00s) it was known for being amazingly bad and using IE-extensions.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by eckyptang on Thursday September 27, 2012 @06:27AM (#4580100)
It's actually very good and always was. There were no extensions that were browser specific.

These were, if you check out output out, simply commented out metadata and custom prefixed CSS rules that allowed it to be imported back into Word if required without losing any information that was lost when exporting to HTML. You could remove all these with a text editor (or a regex) and it'd knock perfectly good HTML + CSS out.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by fluxon on Saturday September 29, 2012 @06:16AM (#4589207)
Very belated 2nd point: No tantrums.

Yeah, Google, Marissa left. Get over it. Stop with the petulant feature gutting. Who are you trying to impress?

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by duncans on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:52PM (#4578633)
Odd, I thought one of the main reasons they bought Quickoffice was the deep knowlege these guys must've had of .DOC, .XLS etc
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by recoiledsnake on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:30PM (#4578161)
Did they announce this previously or are they giving just a 5 day notice(only 3 working days given the weekend)?

A lot of users are going to get irritated at having to change their workflow to have a copy of Office to re-save documents before uploading them. If you need to have a copy of Office around to save them in the new format, then some of the savings by using Google Apps is diminished.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by jlgreco on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:16PM (#4578314)
The article as far as I can tell does not say anything about importing those formats, only that they are ending support for exporting them.

How many people are both "modern" enough to be using Google Docs, but sufficiently out of date that they need to export the old formats? I am guessing sufficiently few that Google doesn't really care about them. If their copy of Office is that old, how old is their browser? Can their browser even supported by Google Docs?

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by vajrabum on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:34PM (#4578374)
You forgot to ask, how many people need to export to a specific older version format to support their colleagues or customers.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by jlgreco on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @06:46PM (#4578418)
Fair point, but I am guessing the answer again is "few". Most people probably send out PDFs if the technology situation of the receiver is that rocky.
Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by ygra on Thursday September 27, 2012 @08:29AM (#4580340)
Most technical-minded people who are aware of the distinction between the various formats.

I didn't get the impression that Google Docs was only used by those. We probably won't see an outcry, though, because the people getting bitten by the change (and there are lots of smaller businesses who don't really see a need to upgrade to current Office versions) aren't that vocal on the net.

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by cooldeal on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @05:42PM (#4578210)
Welcome to the cloud, where you don't have the option of running old versions to tide through the transition and in which anything you don't control can be pulled from under your feet with little or no notice.

That's the thought that goes through my mind when I hear the "Yay, cloud!" line from the following MS ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h8f5AOCNcs

Re:Google Docs Ditching Old Microsoft Export Formats(.doc, .... by Evbn on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:06PM (#4578482)
Read the article and the tryoll again.