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Re:The Decline of Deviance by pixl97 on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @01:52PM (#45736292)
Also you could wander much more easily in the past. These days digital surveillance has creeped in everywhere. Stay in one place over a day and you'll get a ticket. Pay is better monitored so you cant easily do under the table work. Your customers probably use cards so your transactions are monitored and will be taxed. It's a different world from what us older people grew up in.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by keiferski on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @01:56PM (#45736355)
Yeah; I was reading Kerouac recently and just thought to myself, this kind of wandering free existence just isn’t even possible anymore. Everything is mapped and reviewed, so you’d need to deliberately be counter-cultural and turn off your phone.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by pixl97 on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @02:19PM (#45736693)
Turning off your phone just the easiest way to track you. With more AI based facial recognition cameras and data sharing between corporations you're still being tracked in public. The digital world has shrunk the analog world to a very small place.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by hattmall on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @01:22AM (#45742930)
Not that I'm pro being tracked or anything, but what difference does that make to your general existence and daily adventure if there is some sort of behind the scenes tracking going on. Why would that prevent you from wandering?
Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:48AM (#45745082)
Tracking is a necessary precursor to being able to hassle wanderers.

Absent mass automated surveillance, the state's ability to do so at scale was limited.

Once implemented (and processed and stored), norms on use erode over time... and then anyone anomalous is being auto background-checked when showing up in a new area.

Or do we think someone won't find a use for all the dark datacenter GPU power after AI pops?

Re:The Decline of Deviance by thaumasiotes on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @07:51AM (#45745573)
> and then anyone anomalous is being auto background-checked when showing up in a new area.

That is the historical norm. Is it supposed to be a new concept?

Re:The Decline of Deviance by pixl97 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @01:48PM (#45750479)
I mean, slavery is a historical norm. I'd rather not have it back.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Thursday October 30, 2025 @02:25AM (#45756962)
When has that ever been the historical norm?

Even the most closed societies (say, East Germany, the USSR, and the DPRK) only accomplished a fraction of what's now technically possible, and that historical analogue through a massive human labor force.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by thaumasiotes on Thursday October 30, 2025 @12:54PM (#45762184)
It's been the historical norm for all of time, except the extremely recent past.

The norm is that you're born somewhere and you stay there forever. Everyone there knows you and they've known you since you, or they, were born. If a traveler happens to show up, everyone can recognize immediately, by looking at their face, that they're from somewhere else. Strangers get low levels of trust.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Friday October 31, 2025 @07:23AM (#45770808)
There have been cities for ~3000 years+, and a panopticon has never been the standard due to the logistical cost of establishing what we now have.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by dyauspitr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:48AM (#45779508)
Urban centers where that doesn’t hold have been around for thousands of years.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by lrvick on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:11AM (#45744793)
Not had a smartphone in 5 years, and would never go back. I get lost sometimes and explore new areas, I enjoy concerts with my own eyes, I can wait to deal with work when I am back home and enjoy dinner with my family, and I am always present in whatever I am doing not allowing the internet to ever tear me away.

It has changed a lot about my life, and I am so much happier. And have so much more privacy, given I also only use cash in public. I am mostly invisible when away from home, digitally.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by hypokite on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @11:55AM (#45748577)
> .. I am always present in whatever I am doing not allowing the internet to ever tear me away.

Yet here you are. Oops.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by rich66man on Thursday October 30, 2025 @04:29PM (#45764936)
So many people are like "I have quit all social media! I'm free from DA INTERNET!" while posting this on Hacker News or Reddit
Re:The Decline of Deviance by lrvick on Friday October 31, 2025 @05:43AM (#45770082)
Yes, I make a decision when to be at my desk, and when I walk away I live in the real world.

Turns out you do not need to be reachable or stay connected with the lives of far away people every second of every day.