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Re:The Decline of Deviance by hattmall on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @01:22AM (#45742930)
Not that I'm pro being tracked or anything, but what difference does that make to your general existence and daily adventure if there is some sort of behind the scenes tracking going on. Why would that prevent you from wandering?
Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:48AM (#45745082)
Tracking is a necessary precursor to being able to hassle wanderers.

Absent mass automated surveillance, the state's ability to do so at scale was limited.

Once implemented (and processed and stored), norms on use erode over time... and then anyone anomalous is being auto background-checked when showing up in a new area.

Or do we think someone won't find a use for all the dark datacenter GPU power after AI pops?

Re:The Decline of Deviance by thaumasiotes on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @07:51AM (#45745573)
> and then anyone anomalous is being auto background-checked when showing up in a new area.

That is the historical norm. Is it supposed to be a new concept?

Re:The Decline of Deviance by pixl97 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @01:48PM (#45750479)
I mean, slavery is a historical norm. I'd rather not have it back.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Thursday October 30, 2025 @02:25AM (#45756962)
When has that ever been the historical norm?

Even the most closed societies (say, East Germany, the USSR, and the DPRK) only accomplished a fraction of what's now technically possible, and that historical analogue through a massive human labor force.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by thaumasiotes on Thursday October 30, 2025 @12:54PM (#45762184)
It's been the historical norm for all of time, except the extremely recent past.

The norm is that you're born somewhere and you stay there forever. Everyone there knows you and they've known you since you, or they, were born. If a traveler happens to show up, everyone can recognize immediately, by looking at their face, that they're from somewhere else. Strangers get low levels of trust.

Re:The Decline of Deviance by ethbr1 on Friday October 31, 2025 @07:23AM (#45770808)
There have been cities for ~3000 years+, and a panopticon has never been the standard due to the logistical cost of establishing what we now have.
Re:The Decline of Deviance by dyauspitr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:48AM (#45779508)
Urban centers where that doesn’t hold have been around for thousands of years.