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Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by tobyjsullivan on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @07:21PM (#4573305)
I'm very annoyed by this requirement. It doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny as being necessary yet completely hinders most opportunities for true disruptiveness.
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by DannoHung on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @07:47PM (#4573405)
You don't think the novelty and risk associated with a fully automated system that's still in the experimental stages warrants any immediate caution?

Commercial planes have had autopilot for years, but they still require at least the pilot or co-pilot to sit behind the yoke.

When driverless cars have had a few million or billion hours without statistically significant incidents, I think we'll see the laws adapt to not even requiring a human fail-safe.

Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by neurotech1 on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:33PM (#4573579)
Actually, for commercial airliners its "worse". They require both a pilot and co-pilot behind the yoke, even in autopilot.

If an airliner is flown with less than two crew in the cockpit, even for a short period of time, the remaining pilot/co-pilot must wear a mask when flying above 25,000ft.

Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by waterlesscloud on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:00PM (#4573673)
Airliners used to have a third crew member, the Flight Engineer, but that job has been automated into oblivion.
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by neurotech1 on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @10:15PM (#4573899)
A friend mentioned that non-scheduled (no passengers or commercial freight) flights in large aircraft (eg. 737) can still operate with a single-pilot and a rated flight engineer only. The pilot had to have her mask on (or clipped to the helmet) for the entire flight. This option is rarely done commercially, obviously.
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by waterlesscloud on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:08PM (#4573499)
I think the slightest scrutiny shows its complete necessity.

No licensed driver, car encounters situation it's not programmed for.

Now what?

Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by percentcer on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:24PM (#4573753)
Car pulls over, unlicensed driver calls a cab.
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by keeperofdakeys on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @04:11AM (#4574658)
Unfortunately there is a very, very, large set of possible situations a car may find itself in that requires 'user intervention'. Especially without much context-aware systems, or AI, the best error handler a driver-less car has is "stop, inform driver". Is there a curb to pull over to? What if the system is unable to determine if the path is clear because something like a branch is in the way?
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by tobyjsullivan on Wednesday September 26, 2012 @07:34PM (#4578579)
Well, my line of argument is that any driver in a self-driving car is going to be completely inattentive (think available-to-public, not a test-phase car). For any self-driving car to be considered safe enough for public use, the car will need to be proven absolutely safe in "emergency" situations (i.e., auto-shutoff, etc.).

So, if the car is proven to be absolutely safe, then why do we need a driver? To pull it off the road after it shuts off or stops?

Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by tzs on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:33PM (#4573784)
Take professor Thrun's course on building self driving robots at Udacity, and then you'll see why this requirement is necessary at this stage of the development of this technology.
Re:Driverless Cars Get Green Light in California by neurotech1 on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:35PM (#4573588)
The whole purpose of the new autonomous vehicle law is to allow development of the systems in real-world conditions, before they can get to the next level of driving without a driver behind the wheel as a backup.