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Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by dragonelite on Monday October 13, 2025 @04:03PM (#45572730)
The US has immense pressure on the dutch government, given their control over ASML . Its US big tech and semi design studios that determines who will need to buy EUV from ASML. Given ASML is not allowed to do business with China, Russia etc.
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by sgt101 on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:02PM (#45573313)
Where else will they buy EUV from?
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by dragonelite on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @08:29AM (#45579248)
Its China they will create their own EUV ecosystem, there are sources that keep track of Chinese developments and there's a lot of EUV related patents being rewarded within China.

So i wouldn't be surprised if they will announce first initial set of EUV test runs this year or early next year as a cherry on top of their "Made in China 2025" cake.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by sgt101 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @02:40PM (#45583339)
1. OP and me were talking about the US government.

2. It's quite possible you are right about Chinese EUV capabilities - I don't have a clue myself as I don't work for NSA or CIA. On the other hand it's one more very big challenge in a field of big challenges and despite what the CCP says Chinese resources are very far from infinite and the clock is ticking demographically.

3. A set of EUV test runs would not impress me to be honest - a full blown production line of EUV generated chips would. The issue doesn't seem to be in doing EUV, the issue is to build systems that can sustain quality at volume.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by fwipsy on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:59PM (#45573796)
You could just add easily argue that the Dutch government has immense leverage over the US, since ASML controls the leading edge fab technology that underpins Nvidia etc. It seems more to me like a highly profitable partnership that neither side can credibly threaten to withdraw from.
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by markus_zhang on Monday October 13, 2025 @11:04PM (#45575819)
Although without any proof, but the Cold War history convinces me that US usually has the better hands when dealing with EU. US has the bigger and better sticks.
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by kelipso on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @06:31PM (#45585828)
Only with America can EU defend itself against a potential invasion from Russia. No comment on whether it will ever happen but there is no better hand than that.
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by tick_tock_tick on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @04:11AM (#45577463)
> You could just add easily argue that the Dutch government has immense leverage over the US, since ASML controls the

Not really since the USA basically controls ASML. That's not even counting the USA's control over most of Europe especially the Netherlands.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by donohoe on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @06:50AM (#45578456)
Whatever control America is supposed to have is waning rapidly. America is doing a great job of ceding its soft-power and becoming an unreliable ally at best.