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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by intalentive on Monday October 13, 2025 @12:12PM (#45570023)
I read "stock buybacks in 1982" as shorthand for "financialization and short-term thinking at the expense of long-term gains", which certainly happened across corporate America and Britain starting with Reagan and Thatcher.
Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by terminalshort on Monday October 13, 2025 @12:32PM (#45570310)
You state that as if it is a fact, but from what I see the tech industry has engaged in the longest term corporate strategies I have ever seen. Amazon took losses for the better part of two decades before it showed a profit, and public markets would never even fund a venture like SpaceX.
Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by _DeadFred_ on Monday October 13, 2025 @02:38PM (#45571828)
Amazon is a dystopian nightmare of a company. Amazon took losses in order to decimate their competition. Their business model you hype is evil af. They have to have people planning for when they run out of local workers their warehouses are so bad. They allow in fake fuses and tons of other fake products because they are cool with the risk to peoples lives. Instead of giving you decent search results they sell ad spots.

So yes, Amazon represents 'good management thinking' post 2010. But not corporate thinking pre 1980s that, you know, build the US/UK to the positions they were able to cost on up until now.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by Yoric on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @06:27AM (#45578302)
Good point. And both Google and Apple used to reinvest all benefits in R&D.

My impression is that as they calcify into money-printing machines, this stopped. An example being Google's famed 20% that are apparently a long dead memory.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by TheOtherHobbes on Monday October 13, 2025 @12:33PM (#45570323)
In tech it was the switch from creative corporatism, which is focused on opportunities, invention, and infrastructure, to extractive corporatism and oligarchy, which are focused on scams, exploitation, and the creation of rigid hierarchies of privilege.

We're now in the end stage of the latter in the US.

The US still plays at invention - or rather a few of its oligarchs do - but it's far, far behind what's happening in other countries.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by terminalshort on Monday October 13, 2025 @03:40PM (#45572499)
Honestly this sounds like a narrative in your head a lot more than something that is happening in actual reality.
Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by astrange on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @01:06AM (#45576449)
The US doesn't have oligarchs except maybe Alex Karp.

Oligarch is a specific thing with a specific meaning.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by NickC25 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @12:48PM (#45582190)
Bezos, Ellison, and Zuck combined have over $1 trillion in net worth.

That alone places a combined 3 people with more money than the GDP of all but 20 countries.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by astrange on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @02:58PM (#45583493)
And they are not oligarchs because that's not what that word means.

Also, "net worth" is not "money". Shares of a company aren't money.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by NickC25 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @03:38PM (#45583876)
Shares of a company are indeed money - or can be used as money in a roundabout way.

They can be placed as collateral in exchange for a loan or other similar ways to access capital immediately.

If Zuck walks into a bank and asks for a million dollars cash on the spot and is willing to place a few thousand shares up as collateral, he gets that done in minutes.

Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by astrange on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @05:07PM (#45584912)
He can get millions, but he can't get his entire net worth. His net worth is quoted as if the marginal price of one Meta share is the price you'd get for selling every Meta share at once. Which of course doesn't make sense.
Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by NickC25 on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @09:56AM (#45592645)
It doesn't make sense, until it does - because Mark's shares are quite literally a separate class from all other shares and IIRC have 10x the voting power as common class A stock.

If he announced he is selling them all at once, I have no doubt in my mind he could get someone (or a group of investors, or a bank) to purchase all those class B shares almost immediately at a VERY healthy premium. Meta shares are currently around USD $715. There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind that if he was to sell them in a block, with the outsized voting power, he could command roughly USD $950-1100 per share with ease.