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Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by nickslaughter02 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:11AM (#45515274)
Peter Hummelgaard, Danish Minister of Justice: "I indisputably believe that surveillance creates an increased sense of security ... and given that the prerequisite for freedom is security, yes, I believe that more surveillance equates to more freedom"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45473136

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by tgv on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:17AM (#45515336)
It's not even the fact that that belief is unfounded, but that he's actually equating a sense of security with security itself that makes that statement a bold yet easily overlooked lie. That he calls himself a social-democrat!
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by galangalalgol on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:37AM (#45515487)
Wouldn't that party lean more towards early identification and rehabilitation of potential predators with therapy etc.?
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by powerhouse007 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @05:37PM (#45520912)
Sexual orientation cannot be changed as far as science knows.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by galangalalgol on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:32PM (#45521355)
I was thinking about cognitive therapy to decrease the likelihood they would harm people as a result of the proclivities they cannot change. Some people have a natural urge to murder people all the time, if they learn to control it there is no reason they cannot contribute to society.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by WastedCucumber on Thursday October 09, 2025 @03:47AM (#45524756)
There's a program in Germany related to this, called Kein Täter Werden (to not become an abuser / don't become an absuer). I think it's controversial because the therapy is confidential, even if the participants have committed abuse.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by powerhouse007 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @04:32PM (#45532729)
Honest but hard question: do you believe evolution applies to humans.

I am worried what happens when those people who would otherwise be in prison instead have children and those children don't get this kind of therapy.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by galangalalgol on Friday October 10, 2025 @11:44AM (#45540268)
Do we have any evidence that sexual preference is genetic? My understanding was that it was primarily based on hormone levels during pregnancy, kind of like handedness. Some amount pf experience also certainly plays a factor when it comes to abusive behavior, people can turn people into abusers via abuse.
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Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by collingreen on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:11PM (#45521177)
Absurd
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by Telaneo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:16AM (#45515326)
I'm sure the Stasi would very much agree with him.

The fact that he's actually saying this is incredible, and not in a good way.

I'd love to hear him explain the government exemptions in the bill with this in mind.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by nickslaughter02 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:19AM (#45515351)
Peter Hummelgaard, Danish Minister of Justice: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/danish-justice-min...

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by Telaneo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:52AM (#45515613)
I'd love to see this argument transfered to physical mail. Should it be illegal to send physical letters that are encrypted without also somehow providing the government with an unencrypted copy?

If that somehow seams reasonable on its face to someone, then I don't know where to begin a reasonable discussion.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by rusk on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:00PM (#45521104)
The cops can intercept physical mail
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by mrandish on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:47PM (#45521481)
Yes, but that parallel example is not relevant here because modern online messaging is profoundly different in crucial ways. Governments can (and do) intercept and store nearly all electronic messages which permits instant searching and deep cross-referencing of all content and sender/receiver metadata for every message ever sent by anyone, anywhere, at any time. None of which is true for physical mail. If you don't find that terrifying, you don't fully understand what it means.

When they do intercept physical mail messages, if the sender has encoded the message, in most democracies, the government is not permitted to compel the sender to decode the message. And even if you come under suspicion today and they start intercepting your physical mail, they can't have an LLM read ALL the physical letters you've ever sent at the press of a key. With electronic communications they don't even need suspicion first. The LLMs are already actively searching everything hunting for anything the government labels sufficiently "suspicious." The "Five Eyes" intelligence agencies have been capturing all email, instant messages and phone call metadata for more than 15 years already.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by sib on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:50PM (#45521501)
>> Should it be illegal to send physical letters that are encrypted without also somehow providing the government with an unencrypted copy?

> The cops can intercept physical mail

You didn't answer the question...

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by wkat4242 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:49PM (#45521496)
Yes but it too can be encrypted
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by ekianjo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:10PM (#45521679)
The post you replied to mentioned encrypted messages
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by galangalalgol on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:40AM (#45515516)
Perhaps the EU should consider adding access to secure encrypted communication to the human intrinsic rights to prevent such things in the future. He seems to be motivated by increases in gang crime that he will get blamed for.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by nickslaughter02 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @06:05AM (#45525631)
> He seems to be motivated by increases in gang crime that he will get blamed for

...which is the government's fault and they should be blamed.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by ekianjo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:08PM (#45521664)
I'd love to have access to his private email then. Please lead by example, Peter!
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by tokai on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:38AM (#45515492)
He has no good explanations or arguments. He was beaten as a child by his father and now he is reproducing the abuse of power he experienced on all of us. I'm not even trying to be snarky, it's the only framing that can explain his behavior.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by g-b-r on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:34AM (#45515461)
This guy is insane
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by palmotea on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @10:40AM (#45516720)
> Peter Hummelgaard, Danish Minister of Justice: "I indisputably believe that surveillance creates an increased sense of security ... and given that the prerequisite for freedom is security, yes, I believe that more surveillance equates to more freedom"

I mean, he's kinda right. It just depends on if you feel you're a target or not. If you're not the target, you feel an increased sense of security from any threat caused by the people who are the target.

A really obvious example is a dictator like Kim Jong Un: there's a huge amount of surveillance in North Korea, but all of it serves him and none of it threatens him.

So, especially someone kind of unthoughtful and ignorant of the complexities might feel "an increased sense of security" from this surveillance, because they know they're not a pedophile so assume surveillance purportedly targeted at pedophiles will do them no harm. You might even feel "more freedom" to the degree you feel pedophiles are a threat to you or your family.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by 20after4 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @11:38AM (#45529231)
It's not freedom if it's only afforded to a privileged few at the expense of everyone else. And no oppression is ever truly limited to the intended targets only. It'll always be abused and applied beyond the original or stated intent.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by einarfd on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @05:46PM (#45520981)
The quotes I've been seeing from him, makes him sound like a cartoon villain, I'm hoping for his sake he is misquoted.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by ekianjo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:07PM (#45521651)
He probably also believes that war equates to more peace.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by clarionbell on Thursday October 09, 2025 @08:50AM (#45526943)
Sounds like believer in managed democracy.