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Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by nickslaughter02 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:19AM (#45515351)
Peter Hummelgaard, Danish Minister of Justice: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/danish-justice-min...

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by Telaneo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:52AM (#45515613)
I'd love to see this argument transfered to physical mail. Should it be illegal to send physical letters that are encrypted without also somehow providing the government with an unencrypted copy?

If that somehow seams reasonable on its face to someone, then I don't know where to begin a reasonable discussion.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by rusk on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:00PM (#45521104)
The cops can intercept physical mail
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by mrandish on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:47PM (#45521481)
Yes, but that parallel example is not relevant here because modern online messaging is profoundly different in crucial ways. Governments can (and do) intercept and store nearly all electronic messages which permits instant searching and deep cross-referencing of all content and sender/receiver metadata for every message ever sent by anyone, anywhere, at any time. None of which is true for physical mail. If you don't find that terrifying, you don't fully understand what it means.

When they do intercept physical mail messages, if the sender has encoded the message, in most democracies, the government is not permitted to compel the sender to decode the message. And even if you come under suspicion today and they start intercepting your physical mail, they can't have an LLM read ALL the physical letters you've ever sent at the press of a key. With electronic communications they don't even need suspicion first. The LLMs are already actively searching everything hunting for anything the government labels sufficiently "suspicious." The "Five Eyes" intelligence agencies have been capturing all email, instant messages and phone call metadata for more than 15 years already.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by sib on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:50PM (#45521501)
>> Should it be illegal to send physical letters that are encrypted without also somehow providing the government with an unencrypted copy?

> The cops can intercept physical mail

You didn't answer the question...

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by wkat4242 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @06:49PM (#45521496)
Yes but it too can be encrypted
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by ekianjo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:10PM (#45521679)
The post you replied to mentioned encrypted messages
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by galangalalgol on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @08:40AM (#45515516)
Perhaps the EU should consider adding access to secure encrypted communication to the human intrinsic rights to prevent such things in the future. He seems to be motivated by increases in gang crime that he will get blamed for.
Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by nickslaughter02 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @06:05AM (#45525631)
> He seems to be motivated by increases in gang crime that he will get blamed for

...which is the government's fault and they should be blamed.

Re:One-man spam campaign ravages EU 'Chat Control' bill by ekianjo on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:08PM (#45521664)
I'd love to have access to his private email then. Please lead by example, Peter!