>It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.

What does the fact that ICE is doing it to catch illegal matter? Because as far as I'm concerned ICE has no bearing on this. It's wrong no matter who does it or what their goals are.

Being an illegal is barely a crime. Whoops, you overstayed your visa, big fucking deal. If we are going to take issue with this sort of enforcement behavior used on such minor infractions then we need to do so on principal, because not giving a shit when it was used on drug dealers and terrorists and tax evaders and everything else that's "bad" is how we fucking got here.

ICE is just particularly egregious example. But a lot of Federal agents on the ground are participating in Midway Blitz.

You're missing the point. No agency should be behaving this way over a paperwork crime.

It's not even a crime. It's an administrative infraction.

Majority of Americans want immigration law enforced. Democracy worked last November.

I voted for it. Happy that rational Americans are now getting what we want despite the best efforts of those with poor judgment, who should never speak on policy.

> It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented.

That's not happening

> Either human beings have rights and deserve due process, or they don't.

Illegal immigrants are deported as quickly as the law allows in every country all around the world. Sometimes they are turned around at the airport before ever entering. Should we give all of them court dates and set them loose in the country?

Really don't understand the hyper-emotional hyperbole around this topic. Seems very astroturfed. If its not, a lot of people have lost their ability to be rational as they discuss complex issues.

> Really don't understand the hyper-emotional hyperbole around this topic.

If you can’t understand the emotion of being sent to a random country and being separated from your family, I can’t help you.

I'm not trying to be combative here; genuinely would like to see things from "the other side" here and have a rational discussion. Using some specifics, I see the following as wrong:

1. Doing mass detentions and checking papers. Of course not literally through the entirety of a city, but do you agree this happens in mass at say home depot parking lots, construction sites etc, where ICE doesn't know who exactly is here illegally, so they detain everyone and check. This vs having a specific individual in mind and going to arrest that person.

2. Sending people to countries they have no ties to. CECOT for instance, where they're imprisoned indefinitely without a specific charge.

Do you agree these have happened? If so do you think they're ok?

Nothing more rational than dismissing other viewpoints as astroturfing

> That's not happening

Yes it is [1].

[1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-...