>it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery

You mean the one that Israel was caught on camera using to help carry out a raid (the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre) that killed 276 civilians and injured over 600? And then promptly disintegrated after spending only 20 days distributing 1/5 of the aid actually needed?

How magnanimous of them. Why don't we send them another billion off our paychecks to fund their free healthcare to thank them?

You live on stolen land, it's egregious that you decide who is to live or die.

Jews are the indigenous people of Israel. The archaeological records and excavations is clear on that. The leftist and white guilt that ignores that and subverting the definition of Zionism is disgusting.

The late Harlan Ellison contested this narrative throughout his lifetime: https://youtu.be/P6gtHQGbXmM?t=194

  All of you guys out there in the Middle East are out of the same melting pot. And you're all as crazy as a butterfly on absinthe. I don't know whether you're all Canaanites at the base, or you're all Jews at the base, or out of the Land of Nod, or whatever the hell you were at the get-go, "semites" or whatnot. But you've been fighting it out for something like eight thousand years! And you've never had five minutes of quiet and peace! You're forever killing each other, and sticking knives in each other, and burning babies - and the world has had to suffer with this.

  Great things have come out of the Middle East - great things like the *Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam* - but *stupidity* seems to be your chief export! Stupidity, and violence, are your cash crops. All you.

He was also a pedophile.

> Jews are the indigenous people of Israel

Literally doesn't matter. Dead people don't get a vote on where who can live. The people alive today live where they do and will fight to keep from getting displaced. The sooner folks can understand that the sooner we might see peace.

It's you people that's using the terms "colonizers." Of course it matters. Changing definitions willy nilly in the face of evidence is how authoritarianism starts. Very hypocritical of your kind.

> you people that's using the terms "colonizers.”

Who people?

They are not. They were banished centuries BC by their own God per their own scripture. The Palestinian people are the indigenous ones fighting against waves of Eastern Euro trash immigrants fleeing Europe during the 20th century.

Great. So why did Gazans elect Hamas to power in 2006? Their charter includes things like eliminating Israel, people of all other religions, subjugating women, etc. It doesn’t seem like they wanted to decide who is to live or die. And by “they” I don’t just mean Hamas but the population that put them into power and still supports them today. Hamas is the one who attacked Israel with rockets for more than a decade. Their actions caused numerous intermittent blockades that affected residents of the area. It seems like they are content deciding who gets to live or die both in Israel and in the Gaza Strip. But somehow the comments here don’t seem to acknowledge this.

Remember, there have been several two state solution offers in the past. None were accepted by the Islamic Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinian”. Because they aren’t content with coexisting. They want to eliminate Israel and take over the entire region of historical Palestine. That’s what “from the river to the sea” means.

Why did Gazans elect Hamas to power in 2006?

Great question because Hamas was funded by Benjamin Netanyahu in the 90s because he feared the peaceful PLO would become too powerful and result in a two state solution.

Knowing this does this change your position or have you decided on a viewpoint that you will push regardless.

If what I just said was true (and it is) Benjamin Netanyahu put them in power. Doesn't that change everything for you?

Debating that two state solutions were offered and other Arab states not supporting a two state solution because they wanted everything restored to before the world wars victors carved up the world and took away their piece is worth debating. But that's not why Hamas exists.

Benjamin Netanyahu disparate needed an enemy a group violent and extreme. Benjamin Netanyahu setup a strawman.

Hitler's Nazi party in the begining use to send men in to attack an area create chaos then use that justification to take over that area to protect them. Scared people obey.

Netanyahu supported Hamas, classic divide and conquer strategy. "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

Hamas changed their charter in 2017 and supported the 1967 borders. Israel does not.

This entire situation has been engineered from the start by Zionists to take over and ethnically cleanse the area. This plan goes back to Ben Gurion.

> "Anyone who wants to thwart ..."

That's an unverified quote which Netanyahu denied saying.

> Hamas changed their charter in 2017 and supported the 1967 borders.

First it's only certain Westerns who like to frame it as a new charter, while Hamas never used such language and never recanted their original charter.

More to the point, Hamas' 2017 document accepts the concept of a state along 1967 borders, presumably as a stepping stone, "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity", i.e. while still demanding "the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea".

> Israel does not.

There's nothing sacred about the 1967 armistice line in particular, but the 2ss offers Israel made in 2000 and 2008 would have been pretty close.

Everyone on this fucking planet lives on stolen land. Nobody wants to hear it anymore. Go build a productive society in where you find yourself.

This particular piece of land was stolen, using terrorism and forced displacement among other colonial techniques, as recently as 1948, and some of the beneficiaries and victims are still alive.

You need to hear “it”, again because “it” is the foundation of civilized coexistence.

They stole this land within a century using the first cases of modern terrorism against the British and then eventually the Arabs. They're old enough to be forced to not only give it back but work hard labor to rebuild it for its original inhabitants.

Have Israelis also decided their hostages were the price they wanted to pay for occupying Palestine?

The sheer blatant disregard for human life you exhbit is staggering.

Hamas wanted to negotiate the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israel, that it why they took the hostages. Israel decided that their citizens were not worth the price and Zionists used the opportunity to expedite the genocide.

There is currently a deal on the table to get thousands of those prisoners released in exchange for the ~30 hostages and Hamas has refused. Hamas' by far largest goal is pressuring Israel, not saving civilians.

> Hamas wanted to negotiate the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israel

No it didn't. The hostages are leverage only for Hamas, not the Palestinians. Unilaterally cede the hostages and Israel would be put into a really tough spot.

The sheer blatant disregard for human life that Hamas exhibits is staggering. They could end the suffering today by returning the hostages. The fact that they do not, tells you all you need to know about the society that UNRWA education enabled.

Israel doesn't understand "human" life and never will.

if you could press a button that would return all hostages but at the cost of 276 Palestinian civilians per hostage recovered, you would do it.

Just pointed it out for the normal folks here. Israelis are pretty radicalized.

  > if you could press a button that would return all hostages but at the cost of 276 Palestinian civilians per hostage recovered, you would do it.

Yes, I would. The Gazans should understand that and not attack us.

If your daughter was held captive by Gazans, would you not sacrifice 276 of those who vow to eradicate you, in order to save your own daughter?

That's why you are subhuman and not fit for modern society. You are literally posting Nazi opinions about favoring the complete eradication over other races as preferable to a risk to your race.

Remember that the editor of Der Sturmer was hanged at the Hague!!!

I'm glad to see you use "most of this war", acknowledging that Israel has at times totally blockaded all food and medicine from Gaza (and not for logistic or military reasons, but as a pure pressure tactic as stated by Israeli officials).

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-...

And it's true, Israel is not required to accept aid from other countries for Gaza. They could instead provide the full required resources for civilians in the occupied areas themselves.

> For example it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery

"allowed"

The pier was never going to work. Israel should just allow aid in via the normal ways. Notice that Israel controls all the borders of Gaza and they're the ones preventing food from coming in. Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too.

> Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too.

There's a report by forensic-architecture on that: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-g...

Thank you.