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Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by senordevnyc on Monday September 29, 2025 @01:51PM (#45416698)
HN is such a negative and cynical place these days that it's just not worth it. I just don't have the patience to hear yet another anti-AI rant, or have someone who is ideologically opposed to AI nitpick its output. Like you, I've found AI to be a huge help for my work, and I'm happy to keep outcompeting the people who are too stubborn to approach it with an open mind.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by la_fayette on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:25PM (#45417075)
I think HN might be one of the few communities where people have been running extensive experiments with LLMs since their inception. Most here take a realistic view of their capabilities. There are certainly proven use cases where LLMs provide clear productivity gains—for example, copying an error message and retrieving potential solutions. At the same time, many recognize that marketing fantasies, such as the idea of having a "PhD in your pocket," are far beyond what this technology can deliver.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by emp17344 on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:12PM (#45416929)
You don’t get to shut down discussion you don’t like. That’s the opposite of exhibiting an open mind.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by scrollaway on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:22PM (#45417047)
GP is right, though. Many programming communities, including (in some threads, but not all) HN, have become ridiculous anti-AI bubbles - what's the point of trying to have a discussion if you're going to get systematically shut down by people whose entire premise is that they don't use it? It's like trying to explain color to the blind.

What "discussion" do you want to have? Another round of "LLMs are terrible at embedded hardware programming ergo they're useless"? Maybe with a dash of "LLMs don't write bug-free software [but I do]" to close it off?

The discussions that are at all advancing the state of the art are happening on forums that accept reality as a matter of fact, without people constantly trying to constantly pretend things because they're worried they'll lose their job if they don't.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by red_rech on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:24PM (#45417069)
> What "discussion" do you want to have? Another round of "LLMs are terrible at embedded hardware programming ergo they're useless"? Maybe with a dash of "LLMs don't write bug-free software [but I do]" to close it off?

You wouldn’t be getting some dismissive responses if yall didn’t open with “star trek post scarcity singularity” schizo shit and the companies explicitly putting out hostile messages.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by scrollaway on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:47PM (#45417309)
There's exactly ONE factual claim about AI in this entire subthread, and it is word-for-word "AI has been a huge help for my work".

Now you may read that as .. checks notes "star trek post scarcity singularity", but forgive me, I didn't.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by emp17344 on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:30PM (#45417138)
I think you’re overly sensitive to criticism of LLMs.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by scrollaway on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:42PM (#45417258)
No? I really don't give a crap what people criticize. It doesn't change anything in my life - I have plenty going on and nothing you or anyone says here will alter that. It's just sad to see a community I like (and which I've been a part of for longer than you've been programming) factually shut itself down to reality...
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by dang on Monday September 29, 2025 @07:31PM (#45420169)
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by catigula on Monday September 29, 2025 @01:58PM (#45416766)
It's not so much that they're being negative it's that you can't see that you're an Ouroboros consuming your own tail and they can. Skill issue as they say.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by rapind on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:11PM (#45416915)
> you can't see that you're an Ouroboros consuming your own tail and they can

Hey, so if I DO see it, can I stop it from happening?

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by senordevnyc on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:01PM (#45416795)
OK. Well, I've been doing this the hard way for about twenty years, and now with AI in the mix my little solo SaaS has gone from nothing to $5k MRR in six weeks. Guess I'm not holding it completely wrong?
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by scrollaway on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:01PM (#45416801)
You are making assumptions about someone you have never talked to in the past, and don't know anything about.

Of the two of you, I know which one I'd bet on being "right". (Hint: It's the one talking about their own experience, not the one supplanting theirs onto someone else)

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by catigula on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:03PM (#45416819)
What assumptions am I making? Aren't you making assumptions about what I'm saying? It appears your assumptions are extremely egregious because they're blatantly and even comically hypocritical.

To that poster:

Literally everyone in development is using AI.

The difference is "negative" people can clearly see that it's on a trajectory in the NEAR, not even distant, future to completely eat your earnings, so they're not thrilled.

You're in the forest and you're going "Wow, look at all these trees! Cool!"

The hubris is thinking that you're a permanent indispensable part of the loop.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by scrollaway on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:13PM (#45416947)
> The difference is "negative" people can clearly see that it's on a trajectory in the NEAR, not even distant, future to completely eat your earnings, so they're not thrilled.

We birthed a level of cognition out of silicon that nobody would imagine even just four years ago. Sorry, but some brogrammers being worried about making ends meet is making me laugh - it's all the same people who have been automating everyone else's jobs for the past two decades (and getting paid extremely fat salaries for it), and you're telling me now we're all supposed to be worried because it's going to affect our salaries?

Come on. You think everyone who's "vibe coding" doesn't understand the pointlessness of 90% of codemonkey work? Hell, most smart engineers understood that pointlessness years ago. Most coders work on boring CRUD apps and REST APIs to make revenue go up 0.02%. And those that aren't, are probably working on ads.

It's a fraction of a fraction that is at all working on interesting things.

Personally, yeah, I saw it coming and instead of "accepting fate", I created an AI research lab. And I diversified the hell out of my skillset as well - started working way out of my comfort zone. If you want to keep up with changing times, start challenging.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by senordevnyc on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:08PM (#45416883)
We are reading very different "negative" comments here.

Most of the anti-AI comments I see on HN are NOT a version of "the problem with AI is that it's so good it's going to replace me!"

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by int_19h on Monday September 29, 2025 @08:09PM (#45420430)
> Literally everyone in development is using AI.

That's just... not true? There are many, many people who sincerely believe (sometimes from real experience, sometimes because they want it to be true) that AI absolutely cannot do whatever they are trying to do, and so they don't use it.

Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by [deleted] on Monday September 29, 2025 @07:30PM (#45420154)
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by catigula on Tuesday September 30, 2025 @09:05AM (#45424912)
What is "flamebait"? Unpopular beliefs I genuinely hold? I looked it up and the definition seems to include being disingenuous, which I am not. Claiming I am is annoying and feels like it is a personal attack.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by dang on Tuesday September 30, 2025 @03:45PM (#45430325)
It doesn't include being disingenuous. We can't know what your intent is (<-- I don't mean you personally, but any commenter, of course), and can only moderate based on effects, not intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by catigula on Tuesday September 30, 2025 @03:47PM (#45430344)
Thanks
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by kelsey98765431 on Monday September 29, 2025 @02:02PM (#45416815)
all major nation state intelligence services have an incentive to spread negative sentiment and reduce developer adoption of ai technology as they race to catch up with the united states.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by xenobeb on Monday September 29, 2025 @07:18PM (#45420067)
To me, it really depends if the post is a well reasoned criticism with something unique to add to the conversation or the standard, completely pointless, anti-AI rant that I have already read a 1000 times.
Re:Claude Sonnet 4.5 by sciencejerk on Monday September 29, 2025 @08:20PM (#45420510)
5I think a lot of white-collar workers are on HN and th3y