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Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by chmod775 on Sunday September 28, 2025 @05:10PM (#45408041)
For a while I was nodding along, being able to picture what occurred and understand how the adults dealt with it.

Then I realized these people were ~16 years old. Maybe it was an outlier? I looked up what the typical age of school shooters in the US is: also 16-17 years old. If a lot of these are bullying victims, something is seriously wrong.

Looking back at my own time in school, people had grown out of this sort of bullying years earlier. Teachers would treat you like young adults by 16. If you engaged in this sort of extreme bullying at that age, you wouldn't get summoned to the headmaster's office to get a slap on the wrist - you'd face real consequences and might even find yourself dealing with police if not in juvenile court.

Are these kids just not growing up because they're still being treated like 9 year olds when they're almost adults?

I'd understand the occasional outlier, since even the occasional developmentally stunted "adult" engages in bullying, but it really shouldn't be a common theme. It is likely most adults still engaging in this behavior simply never were given reason to grow up before their behavioral patterns crystallized, much like the protagonists in our story at hand.

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by ocdtrekkie on Sunday September 28, 2025 @05:57PM (#45408456)
In my senior year (age 18), a kid jumped on me and tried to beat me up. I pushed him off me and reported it to the school. I got a mandatory suspension for "being in a fight" under the school's zero tolerance policy.

The funny outcome of this is that I realized I should've just beat him back, I would've faced no penalty because he wouldn't have reported it and he would've realized I wasn't a target.

I do feel like SROs (police officers in schools) are much more common today than they were when I was in high school, but I am not sure treating school kids like adults always works out great either.

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by keanb on Sunday September 28, 2025 @06:10PM (#45408551)
> The funny outcome of this is that I realized I should've just beat him back, I would've faced no penalty because he wouldn't have reported it and he would've realized I wasn't a target.

Consider that this is what they actually wanted you to do. They are a school and wanted to teach you to deal with the problems in your life yourself. In other words, they were trying to teach you to be an adult.

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by ocdtrekkie on Sunday September 28, 2025 @07:54PM (#45409124)
Adults don't resolve conflicts by beating each other up. If this was your school's lesson, I'm sorry.
Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by dzhiurgis on Monday September 29, 2025 @12:01AM (#45410228)
Majority of this site support antifa so idk if thats entirely true
Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by AtlasBarfed on Sunday September 28, 2025 @11:53PM (#45410193)
If you are being threatened physically and violently as an adult, to the point you fear for your life, then.... you go to "authorities".

If the "authorities" don't take it seriously, you have to "protect yourself".

If the threat is by a larger/stronger person or people, you even the odds with....

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by dolebirchwood on Sunday September 28, 2025 @11:58PM (#45410217)
Anyone with that mindset shouldn't be working anywhere near children.
Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by mothballed on Monday September 29, 2025 @01:02AM (#45410467)
Not inviting the man in your life is an important lesson. Not the way I'd teach it, but they may have saved him a lot of jailtime or other issues teaching it to him early.
Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by chmod775 on Sunday September 28, 2025 @08:38PM (#45409343)
> but I am not sure treating school kids like adults always works out great either.

This is why there is juvenile courts and juvenile justice. These "kids" are about to be adults. At some point you have to make the transition. Physically and intellectually they are already able to inflict just as much damage as most grown adults. A third grader who decides to go on a killing spree is probably not going to get very far, but a 16 year old is incredibly dangerous.

Whether 16 year old teenagers should be held to higher standards than children who just learned to spell their own name is not a question: doing so is a necessity both for their own development and those they interact with.

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by dmitrygr on Sunday September 28, 2025 @05:13PM (#45408077)
> If you engaged in this sort of extreme bullying at that age, you wouldn't get summoned to the headmaster's office to get a slap on the wrist - you'd face real consequences

Clearly you didn’t go to American schools! If you complain, the teachers do nothing (not wanting to get involved or get hurt - teachers being hurt by students isn’t uncommon [1]) and the bullies bully you harder. If you fight back, the school administration gets YOU into trouble only. Ask me how I know.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=teacher+beaten+by+student

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by Animats on Sunday September 28, 2025 @05:31PM (#45408238)
What are the rules of engagement today when being bullied in school? Apparently shooting bullies is a no-no. You only get to do that as an adult in stand-your-ground states.[1] If attacked, do you get to use an improvised weapon such as a baseball bat?

Great question to ask your school administrators, especially if you're a military brat and grew up around people who have to know when and where to use their lethal force.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by elevation on Sunday September 28, 2025 @06:00PM (#45408472)
The public educators I’ve spoken with are trained that any initiating any physical contact with a student even in self defense is strictly a liability and grounds for dismissal. The only permissible response to an assault from a student is for a teacher to use their elbows to cover their own abdomen (limiting damage to their internal organs) until the attack subsides.

While that instruction is to educators, I can’t imagine that school policy would allow student victims to respond any differently, because the parents of a bully with a broken nose could sue the school.

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by chmod775 on Sunday September 28, 2025 @05:40PM (#45408330)
How do you know?

(no, I didn't go to an American school)

Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by gs17 on Sunday September 28, 2025 @06:19PM (#45408604)
I also have first-hand experience, albeit a decade-plus in the past now, but that matches how it was at my school. They only got involved when there was violence, and a "zero-tolerance" policy meant they punished you for getting assaulted even if you didn't fight back (fortunately, no one at my school realized you could get someone you didn't like suspended by doing a hit and run and turning yourself in).
Re:People Got Together to Stop a School Shooting – Before It... by dmitrygr on Sunday September 28, 2025 @06:08PM (#45408536)
First. Hand. Experience.

With both options