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Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by softwaredoug on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:34PM (#45354703)
For inciting violence. Sure. Free speech isn’t absolute.

But along with fringe Covid ideas, we limited actual speech on legitimate areas of public discourse around Covid. Like school reopening or questioning masks and social distancing.

We needed those debates. Because the unchecked “trust the experts” makes the experts dumber. The experts need to respond to challenges.

(And I believe those experts actually did about as best they could given the circumstances)

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by McGlockenshire on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:56PM (#45354904)
The "debate" ended up doing nothing but spreading misinformation.

Society as a whole has a responsibility to not do that kind of shit. We shouldn't be encouraging the spread of lies.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by epistasis on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @10:07PM (#45355461)
Really, discussion was limited? Or blatant lies were rightly excluded from discourse?

There's a big difference, and in any healthy public discourse there are severe reputations penalties for lies.

If school reopening couldn't be discussed, could you point to that?

It's very odd how as time goes on my recollection differs so much from others, and I'm not sure if it's because of actual different experiences or because of the fog of memory.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by mixmastamyk on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @11:12PM (#45355878)
Blatant truths were excluded as well, and that's the main problem. See replies to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45353884
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by epistasis on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @11:59PM (#45356140)
That's a really long thread and I'm not sure where blatant truths were excluded.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by mixmastamyk on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:34AM (#45361806)
Each top level reply responds with an example of a truth suppressed.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by epistasis on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:36PM (#45362758)
The top comment is emphatically not that:

>As super low hanging fruit: > June 8, 2020: WHO: Data suggests it's "very rare" for coronavirus to spread through asymptomatics [0] > June 9, 2020: WHO expert backtracks after saying asymptomatic transmission 'very rare' [1] > 0: https://www.axios.com/2020/06/08/who-coronavirus-asymptomati... 1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/who-expert-bac... > Of course, if we just take the most recent thing they said as "revised guidance", I guess it's impossible for them to contradict themselves. Just rapidly re-re-re-revised guidance.

My hypotheses for our discrepant viewpoints were 1) my aging memory, or 2) different experiences, but it's actually 3) not using words to have the same meaning!

Citing this as "blatant truth suppression" weakens my view of any other evidence or argument you put forward, because I no longer trust that we can use words in ways that are compatible with each other.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by homeonthemtn on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:46PM (#45354804)
If I were trying to govern during a generational, world stopping epoch event, I would also not waste time picking through the trash to hear opinions.

I would put my trust in the people I knew were trained for this and adjust from there.

I suspect many of these opinions are born from hindsight.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by xboxnolifes on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @09:37PM (#45355217)
Letting fringe theories exist on YouTube does not stop you from accessing the WHO or CDC website.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by fzeroracer on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @04:19AM (#45357669)
Those fringe theories have now embedded themselves into the government itself and directly have contributed to the rot of our public health institutions. So in many ways yes, they do.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by xboxnolifes on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @05:12PM (#45366020)
That happened while Youtube was not allowing it as well.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by jdiff on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:18PM (#45364823)
Fringe theories existing and being allowed to persist has led to wide takedowns of information from government sites including the CDC.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by zmgsabst on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:51PM (#45354860)
Really?

Experts have a worse track record than open debate and the COVID censorship was directed at even experts who didn’t adhere to political choices — so to my eyes, you’re saying that you’d give in to authoritarian impulses and do worse.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by judahmeek on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @09:59PM (#45355406)
The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action.

At some point in any emergency, organized action has to be prioritized over debate.

Maybe that is still authoritarian, but they do say to have moderation in all things!

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by zmgsabst on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @11:57PM (#45356132)
That’s not at all how you’re taught to handle emergencies.

From health emergencies to shootings to computer system crashes to pandemics — doing things without a reason to believe they’ll improve the situation is dangerous. You can and many have made things worse. And ignoring experts shouting “wait, no!” is a recipe for disaster.

When we were responding to COVID, we had plenty of time to have that debate in a candid way. We just went down an authoritarian path instead.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by SV_BubbleTime on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @11:45PM (#45356071)
> The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action.

Ah… so… ”we must do something! Even if it’s the wrong thing”

Hot take.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by aianus on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:37AM (#45356349)
God forbid someone hinder some retarded organized action before enough peoples’ lives are ruined that our majestic rulers notice and gracefully decide to stop.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by Gud on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:56AM (#45356456)
No it doesn't. It allows for correct action to be taken.
Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by themaninthedark on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @12:39AM (#45356361)
Luckily, it is possible for you to just listen to those you trust. No need for you go pick through other people's opinions.

I don't see how that turns into you needing to mandate what I read and who's opinions I hear.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by scuff3d on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:44AM (#45357456)
There has been a massive uptick in anti-vax rhetoric over the last decade. As a result some Americans have decided to not vaccinate, and we are seeing a resurgence in diseases that should be eradicated.

I have a three month old son. At the time he was being born, in my city, there was an outbreak of one of those diseases that killed more then one kid. Don't tell me this stuff doesn't have a direct impact on people.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by scuff3d on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:37AM (#45357405)
Try to post a meme here, see how long it stays up.

More seriously, it's just not this simple man. I know people really want it to be, but it's not.

I watched my dad get sucked down a rabbit hole of qanon, Alex Jones, anti-vax nonsense and God knows what other conspiracy theories. I showed him point blank evidence that qanon was bullshit, and he just flat out refuses to believe it. He's representative of a not insignificant part of the population. And you can say it doesn't do any damage, but those people vote, and I think we can see clearly it's done serious damage.

When bonkers ass fringe nonsense with no basis in reality gets platformed, and people end up in that echo chamber, it does significant damage to the public discourse. And a lot of it is geared specifically to funnel people in.

In more mainstream media climate change is a perfect example. The overwhelming majority in the scientific community has known for a long time it's an issue. There were disagreement over cause or severity, but not that it was a problem. The media elevated dissenting opinions and gave the impression that it was somehow an even split. That the people who disagree with climate change were as numerous and as well informed, which they most certainly weren't, not by a long shot. And that's done irreparable damage to society.

Obviously these are very fine lines to be walked, but even throughout US history, a country where free speech is probably more valued than anywhere else on the planet, we have accepted certain limitations for the public good.

Re:YouTube says it'll bring back creators banned for Covid a... by fzeroracer on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @04:18AM (#45357659)
> We needed those debates. Because the unchecked “trust the experts” makes the experts dumber. The experts need to respond to challenges.

We've had these debates for decades. The end result is stuff like Florida removing all vaccine mandates. You can't debate a conspiracy or illogical thinking into to going away, you can only debate it into validity.