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Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by CuriouslyC on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:12AM (#45333748)
At this point I don't even care to argue with people who disagree with me on this. History will decide the winner and if you think you're not on the losing side, best of luck.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by jamesnorden on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:54AM (#45334338)
I'd say you're a bit biased.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by CuriouslyC on Monday September 22, 2025 @11:37AM (#45334937)
I am biased, but by my personal experience, not the desire to sell anything to anyone. I don't even have products for sale right now, I'm just building free things to try and help people figure out how to ride this wave safely.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by svieira on Monday September 22, 2025 @05:59PM (#45340107)
> I don't even have products for sale right now

The link in your bio is a long series of tools for various personas with a "schedule a consultation" link next to each one. I'm not sure what "consultation" is if not "a product". But maybe they're all free?

Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by CuriouslyC on Monday September 22, 2025 @07:00PM (#45340678)
Please find a post where I've shilled anything that I charge money for. I explicitly don't mention that I do consulting here in the spirit of the community. I'm fine with being called out for a strongly pro-AI stance, but I would appreciate not having my patterns of frankness/honesty/community engagement called into question spuriously.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by svieira on Monday September 22, 2025 @10:28PM (#45342177)
I do not think you are shilling anything at all - merely that you are biased and that bias is somewhat driven by a source of income that you link to your hacker news identity. If you were a Forth hacker with a Forth consultancy, the same thing would apply.

That said, I did not intend to call out your bias as a means of questioning your honesty and I apologize if my communication came across as doing so!

Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by aaronbrethorst on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @02:25AM (#45343453)
That you, in turn, do not immediately disclose your inevitable biases, makes me dubious of your motives. We all have biases. It’s important to be clear eyed and forthright
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by add-sub-mul-div on Monday September 22, 2025 @02:20PM (#45337420)
I've been watching bad technology decisions win since before some of the people on this forum were born.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by rsynnott on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @03:25AM (#45343851)
I mean, there's no real sharp edge here. If these things ultimately get to the point where they are demonstrably useful, sceptics will presumably adopt them. Given that the ecosystem changes drastically month-to-month, there's little obvious benefit to being an early adopter.
Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by CuriouslyC on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:28AM (#45346080)
Actually I think the pascal's wager goes the other way. We're in a giant game of musical chairs in the software industry, and the people who will keep getting seats at each round are the overall most skilled and capable of using AI, and this is going to bias more towards AI skill over time.

The consequence in this model of not being an early AI adopter is that unless you're a rock star performer already, you're going to fall behind the curve and get ejected from the game of software engineering early. The people who stay in the game until the end will be the ones that have vision now.

If I'm wrong, then all the people who learned AI now will have just wasted a few years on a low value skill, which is honestly the story of the entire history of tech (hello flash devs?), i.e. not an existential threat to engineers.

Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by rsynnott on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @12:13PM (#45349050)
> The consequence in this model of not being an early AI adopter is that unless you're a rock star performer already, you're going to fall behind the curve and get ejected from the game of software engineering early.

This is assuming that AI _currently improves productivity_. There's little empirical evidence for this (there is evidence that it causes people to believe that they themselves are more productive, but that's not very useful; _all sorts_ of snake oil cause people to believe that they themselves are more productive).

My baseline assumption right now would be that AI does not, in aggregate, improve productivity (at least in software engineering; it may in some other fields); if it ever _does_, then sure, I'll probably start using it?

Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by CuriouslyC on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @12:36PM (#45349397)
AI 100% does currently improve productivity when used correctly. You can say that's a no true Scotsman, but you can look at my company GitHub page to see that I'm delivering.

AI delivers results when you understand its characteristics and build a workflow around it designed to play to its strengths. AI doesn't deliver huge results when you try to shoehorn it into AI unfriendly workflows. Even if you took the Stanford 95% study on its face (which you shouldn't, there are a lot of methodological issues), there are still 5% of projects that are returning value, and it's not random, it's process differences.

Re:What happens when coding agents stop feeling like dialup? by EdwardDiego on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:53PM (#45369108)
> AI 100% does currently improve productivity

What definition of productivity are you using?