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Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by throwaway13337 on Saturday September 20, 2025 @11:32PM (#45319803)
I recently went down a rabbit hole on how researchers make mice depressed so they can test antidepressants on them. The short answer is they disrupt the mouse's environment in ways that are unpredictable and uncontrollable. It's a standard protocol. We know that this causes depression.

The culture of products not under the control of the customer does the same thing. A culture that sees this as normal is a depressed culture.

To test whether the mice are depressed, researchers give them something rewarding that requires a little effort to get (e.g., sugary water vs. plain water).

The depressed mice give up. They are apathetic.

I imagine the mice believe that there is no way to change things. That might be true for the mice but it's not true for us.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by woah on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:20AM (#45361617)
I imagine the mice would be far more depressed if they had to get trackpad drivers to work and give a good response on Linux
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by yogorenapan on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:56PM (#45365233)
There are laptops that work with Linux and ones that don't. Nobody is forcing you to use it on a device that isn't supported
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by righthand on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @07:33PM (#45367252)
This is that depression the comment author is talking about. Apple fans will make it a point to lash out at Linux for not being a trillion dollar company supported product. Only depressed people lash out at the parts of the world where communities are trying their best.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by lwhi on Thursday September 25, 2025 @05:12AM (#45370758)
macOS support for anything that isn't a new Apple product is appalling.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by sjw987 on Thursday September 25, 2025 @06:26AM (#45371228)
Yeah. I had a laptop which is only 4 years old causing issues, took it to an Apple Store and they couldn't give a toss.

Everything was pushing me in the direction of buying a new laptop (with a small discount relative to the new price) and transferring everything across.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by dishsoap on Thursday September 25, 2025 @01:56AM (#45369691)
Seems to be an insurmountable task for anyone apart from engineers at apple, let alone mice
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by lwhi on Thursday September 25, 2025 @05:11AM (#45370747)
I think they'd find that to be an engaging task, and they'd get a great deal of satisfaction once they had sorted it out themselves.

If the mice had to deal with an intermittently disappearing cursor, and erratic hover behaviour on a 2 year old M2 Mac with the latest version of Sequoia .. that would probably illicit a very different response.

Are mice known to spill blood?

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by giraffe_lady on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:24AM (#45361673)
> The short answer is they disrupt the mouse's environment in ways that are unpredictable and uncontrollable.

For example like will my wifi work today. Will my laptop still have any battery when I open it. Is today the day I surprise boot to tty and have to figure out what changed before I can start working.

I'll stick with the year-to-year unpredictability of apple over the day-to-day unpredictability of linux.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by StopDisinfo910 on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:36AM (#45361842)
Linux doesn't magically update itself. If it works today, it's going to work tomorrow unless you break it.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by giraffe_lady on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @02:51PM (#45364495)
Alas the cross of a dumbass programmer is a heavy one. I need an OS that is harder to break I reckon.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by b_e_n_t_o_n on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @04:11PM (#45365409)
I too am especially prone to breaking my OS, as well as the software that runs on it. You aren't alone lol.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by cosmic_cheese on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:12PM (#45364737)
I dunno about that. Bleeding edge distros like Arch are infamous for breaking in random ways for those updating without paying attention and even distros that are considered more stable like Fedora and Ubuntu can from time to time break drivers or random smaller things. Definitely a YMMV sort of thing.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by kergonath on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:15PM (#45364778)
What are we going to do, then? Stop updating the OS and accumulate security issues? Stop doing anything that might possible touch an obscure config file somewhere in the bowels of the OS? It’s just unrealistic. "Do not update" cannot be a solution, it’s worse than the problem it is supposed to solve.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by StopDisinfo910 on Thursday September 25, 2025 @03:00AM (#45370002)
I’m responding to someone pretending their system randomly breaks in the morning as per magic. This simply doesn’t happen, period.

A Linux system stays the same unless you change it.

I also personally disagree that updates break system by the way. I have used Arch for more than a decade and has yet to experience one of this alleged frequent disturbance.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by giraffe_lady on Thursday September 25, 2025 @10:17AM (#45372898)
You said magic twice attacking me but I said it zero times. It's just not even a "good" bad read of what I did say.

What I'm talking about is changes because of updates, yes. Auto updates, or ones I did, or an update to specific software that caused a library update to break something else. All that counts as "me changing it" sure. Like I said I guess I need a system a little less prone to breaking because of my actions. I'm a programmer not a linux admin.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by ryanjshaw on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @05:27PM (#45366173)
Not sure what point you’re making, are you saying to never update your system?

Not updating your system is not a magic solution either. I ran Linux Mint for 9mo and twice during that time I ended up in a bizarre situation:

1. the menu bar, or whatever it’s called (taskbar/dock equivalent) had disappeared on boot and I spent about 2 hours trying to get it back

2. the system simply wouldn’t boot into Cinnamon anymore; I ended up reinstalling

Bought a MBP and while it has some annoying quirks I don’t have any crazy ruined-my-day issues anymore.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by tpmoney on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:27PM (#45368983)
By the same token, mac os isn't going to change in unpredictable ways if you never update it either.
Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by chuckadams on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:55PM (#45365226)
Use an immutable distro like Bluefin or Aurora and you can just boot to yesterday's version.

(macOS is my daily driver too, but I wouldn't mind having that feature)

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by graemep on Thursday September 25, 2025 @04:47AM (#45370631)
Has Apple never done an update that breaks something? This seems worse than anything I have heard of with linux: https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/iphones/ios-18-4-1-update-i...

In practice, even with a rolling release distro I have not had things break on an update in a very long time (not at all on my current install, which is two years old), and with stable distros its literally been 20 years since something did not boot.

Any OS seems to have some bugs on updates.

I have heard battery life is better so not arguing about that, but its rarely that I will not wake my laptop for more than a day or two so its not a problem I experience either.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by fpsvogel on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @11:48AM (#45362012)
Agreed. If I weren't a computer nerd I probably wouldn't feel this way, but on Linux I feel more empowered. Even if there are more things to tweak/fix (which is not necessarily true these days), there IS probably a way to do it.

On MacOS, I more often have to give up and live with the annoyances.

Hardware is the the big exception. None of my PCs have had nearly as good build quality or battery life (on Linux, at least) as a Macbook. Maybe I should try a Framework.

Re:macOS becomes iOS: Safari video controls by kergonath on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @03:13PM (#45364742)
> If I weren't a computer nerd I probably wouldn't feel this way, but on Linux I feel more empowered

There are also more footguns and rabbit holes. Overall, I am about as happy with Linux than with macOS (I use both daily), but I would not say that one is really more empowering than the other.

I like tinkering with KDE but it’s full of inconsistencies and instability in a way than even the worst Finder I’ve used was not (e.g. the whole desktop freezing when adding a widget to the desktop with a brand new install). Never mind the Russian roulette that is updating nVidia’s drivers.

On the other hand on macOS it’s easier to get to things that are actually productive.