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Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by stephengillie on Friday September 14, 2012 @08:38PM (#4524723)
Will CPUs access HDDs via WIFI in the near future? Will it matter if they're in the same case anymore?
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by 7952 on Saturday September 15, 2012 @08:26AM (#4525964)
I presume that you mean block level access over wifi? Surely iSCSI already works over WiFi, if a little slowly. Why would you want to do this in preference to accessing files using NFS or HTTP?

Although if you had a stupidly fast internet connection it would be possible to hold devices images in RAM centrally and may turn out to be quicker than booting from local storage.

Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by shimon_e on Saturday September 15, 2012 @12:48PM (#4526526)
One reason why it's a clear cut no: latency. Maybe for file servers but not for operating system and application files. Expect always to have a few GBs accessible by wire (even if one day it is included in the SOC).
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by wmf on Friday September 14, 2012 @11:16PM (#4525133)
Wi-Fi is about 1/10th the speed of SATA, so no.
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by Someone on Saturday September 15, 2012 @07:12AM (#4525879)
I think Wi-Fi will speed up faster than both SATA and disk drives, and SATA already is faster than portable hard disks.

For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ad aims at 7Gb/s. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-mobile-hdd-charts/-0... gives max read speed for mobile disks at less than 1.5Gb/s.

Form that viewpoint, I can see a laptop disk drive that only needs a power connection. Battery-operated, you could even keep it in your bag while using it,

Big questions, however, are a) whether people will still want external drives for thei laptops. SSDs and the cloud may supplant them, b) whether the bandwidth is reliable enough (what if I sit next to someone who also has a Wi-Fi external drive?) and c) whether it is a wise idea to make it so easy to detach your disk. Software will have to be prepared to handle the case "user picks up laptop and walks out of range of external disk"

Especially for reasons a and b, I do not see this happen.

Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by keeperofdakeys on Sunday September 16, 2012 @09:29PM (#4530981)
I don't know the latency of SATA off the top of my head, but I would assume it would be less then that of Wi-Fi. With the way the OS currently controls hard drives, this proposal probably just won't work. Since this pretty much rules out an OS drive over Wi-Fi (lots of random reads), we could instead think of a NAS setup for mass storage. So we have a small NAS with Wi-Fi, with samba or NFS protocols, and use it as a storage drive.

Personally though, I don't mind having an internal SSD in my laptop (although it is a bit small, really should get a bigger one). I also don't mind cables for external storage drives. As for Wi-Fi, I usually have a hard time hitting the maximum bandwidth of my AP (where maximum bandwidth is slightly less then half the connection speed). Wi-Fi is also prone to interference. One interesting thing about the 802.11 ac spec is that it now supports channel bonding on upto eight channels, which severely limits the 5GHz band, which was supposed to take away all the congestion we have on 2.4GHz.

Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by Someone on Thursday September 20, 2012 @06:50PM (#4551170)
I hadn't heard of it yet when I wrote my earlier reply, but intel demoed a WiFi solution a few days earlier: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231264/Intel_demos_7...

http://techreport.com/news/23303/marvell-wilocity-partner-up... writes about it:

"We're told latency will be in the order of "microseconds, not milliseconds"

So, latency will not be much of a problem with this solution.

I do have the impression that this is called Wi-Fi only on commercial grounds, not on technical ones.

Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by stephengillie on Friday September 14, 2012 @11:20PM (#4525150)
Do you always need maximum speed?
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by IsTom on Saturday September 15, 2012 @05:17AM (#4525748)
Always no, often yes. Just think about copying about anything from/to HDD. Now let it take ten times as long. Game installations, torrents, everything. Currently HDD is often a bottleneck.
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by stephengillie on Saturday September 15, 2012 @07:08AM (#4525877)
So we'll copy directly HDD to HDD?
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by IsTom on Saturday September 15, 2012 @07:38AM (#4525905)
Yeah, DMA makes it "not that bad" at first glance, but it's just a workaround (hdd to hdd) and you'll see that you need a workaround on workaround next to a workaround when you go that alley, instead of just getting just bandwidth.
Re:Intel researchers put WiFi inside—the processor, that is by quaunaut on Saturday September 15, 2012 @01:21AM (#4525404)
In most regards, yes. Even at the best speeds possible, going over a wifi connection would be leagues slower.