> ”racist" seems to fail the Occam test here

The word has lost meaning due to semantic overinclusivity.

By the Civil Rights era definitions, the process is racist. The people may not be. The process explicitly favours Indians. This isn’t some statistical mumbo-jumbo anti-racism construct, it’s the clear intent of the people involved and a clear effect of their actions.

What we can’t conclude from this is if the people involved think Indians are superior (versus just familiar).

This reminds me of the aphorism "The purpose of a system is what it does."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_w...

DEI arose to public consciousness around the same time that "whiteness" was often used as a synonym for bigotry and privilege. So long as academic circles (and those who come from them, such as the people now in HR departments) believe that having white skin is a sin, DEI will never be D, E or I.

The three words themselves are nice and generally good things to believe in, but the packaging philosophy it is wrapped up in is poisonous.

I've never met a single HR person that could be characterized as coming from, or even brushing up against, an academic circle.

Much the opposite. They are usually the weaker animals in the herd or people who flipped out of corporate finance to negotiate benefits.

> HR departments [...] believe that having white skin is a sin

Can we just stop? This is a meme, it's clearly never been true. It's extrapolating from a bunch of intemperate stuff said by oddball losers (yes, often in academic environments which encourage out-of-the-box thinking and speech[1]) to tar a bunch of extremely bland policies enacted by HR and hiring managers (to ensure that their masters don't get sued) with an ideological brush.

We people with "white skin" are very clearly doing just fine in the job market.

[1] Something that in other contexts we at HN think is a good thing!

I've watched HR people break the law discriminating against white job applicants in the name of DEI. One in particular was fired for it, but it'd be foolish to think that it isn't happening more elsewhere.

And the upthread commenter has personal experience with HR people discriminating too. So what? The answer is both cases is clear regulation, which is what DEI is about. Can it be misapplied? Sure. Do people do bad things? Obviously. Is the specific anti-white conspiracy you imagine a direct threat to society? Please.

How is DEI about clear regulation? Equity is literally the opposite of "equal opportunity". It presumes that your skin color matters more than your personal circumstances.

And no, I don't think it is a threat to society. You don't need to invent fake arguments to put in my mouth.

All I said was that the packaging DEI is wrapped up in is toxic (actually, I said poison).

I’ve personally, repeatedly, and in writing seen HR actively discriminate against white men - as in refuse to hire them, and actively go out of their way to push them out due solely to their skin color and gender. At major fortune 50 companies. For years.

And I’m not the only one.

In fact, consent decrees with the DOL and at least one major fortune 50 (Google) explicitly required them to do so, to maintain ‘proportional representation with the population’ because of ‘over representation’. Meanwhile, Indian men got a free pass (for one example).

Trump is mostly bullshit, but he’s in power because of bullshit like this pissing people off. That is a threat to society.

Mostly because none of the things he’s doing are going to actually solve the problem but just get people angrier and angrier at each other. But the problem, at least at one point, was very real.

One of the knock-on benefits of DEI is that it allows second rate minds to self-identify. Empathy is massively important in this line of work, and you need to be curious instead of confused and upset when you run into Chesterton's Fence.

Exactly, those without empathy for their fellow countrymen being unfairly discriminated against based on the color of their skin and gender identity really need to learn a hard lesson about judging others based on the character of the person and not their immutable characteristics.

It's a really good litmus test for finding those with empathy and good intellect, AKA the best kind of co-workers.