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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Friday September 12, 2025 @09:03AM (#45221684)
I think the right are jumping on this because they keep being shot.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dttze on Friday September 12, 2025 @12:02PM (#45223615)
Don’t you have a genocide to deny? Shoo.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Saturday September 13, 2025 @03:01PM (#45234469)
Because we don’t indulge in racist conspiracy theories that are easily proven false? I think maybe we should stay and you should go.
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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dang on Monday September 15, 2025 @05:11PM (#45254970)
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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dang on Monday September 15, 2025 @05:10PM (#45254966)
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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Friday September 12, 2025 @12:59PM (#45224172)
And yet for some reason Melissa Hortman and her husband (as well as their dog) continue to be barely acknowledged by the White House/right despite being brutally murdered in their own home - they were democrat lawmakers in MN for those who are unfamiliar with this horrible story.

Kirk made a substantial portion of his living trolling people and fomenting hostility between people of different political ideologies. He said gay people should be stoned to death. He did not deserve to die, I do not celebrate his murder. But I will not celebrate the way he lived his life, let alone indulge this flagrant (and tasteless) attempt by the GOP to make him a saintly martyr.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Saturday September 13, 2025 @01:19PM (#45233707)
> for some reason Melissa Hortman

The reason is Hortman is less known.

> He said gay people should be stoned to death.

No he didn’t.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Sunday September 14, 2025 @02:24PM (#45242080)
You’re right, that has been corrected. He did not say that.

Here’s something he did say, however, including a source:

> "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-17000...

Ignoring the ironic typo: is this dialogue? Is this “crossing political divides” for productive discussion? Or is it just bog standard racism/sexism? I’m curious what your thoughts are on that one, which was a pretty typical comment from him mind you.

Charlie Kirk was a cruel person to those he considered outside his tribe. I will not participate in the GOP’s cynical, opportunistic attempt to brand him as a martyr for free speech. It’s whitewashing nonsense.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Sunday September 14, 2025 @03:28PM (#45242544)
Saying people that *say they were only there because of AA* are obviously only there because of AA is a pretty reasonable point. Linking to the video (with someone’s angry wrapper) directly: https://x.com/alluring_nyc/status/1965931096539017536?s=46

I wasn’t aware they said they were there because of AA, this is worthwhile information.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Sunday September 14, 2025 @04:07PM (#45242812)
That is clearly not the assertion/part I am talking about, though I certainly have an opinion on that too.

He literally said the above quote I mentioned. It was sexist/racist. It was wrong. You can weigh in on it or not that’s your choice. But this man was not the saint the right is making him out to be. It’s flagrant revisionist history

Edit: I also forgot to respond to your Hortman comment. That does not matter. She and her husband were brutally murdered in their home for the crime of being democrats and holding office. How is that not worthy of national attention? How is that not kind of political violence that the right pretends to care about right now? If they had been Republicans we would still be hearing about it and you know it.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Monday September 15, 2025 @12:21AM (#45246088)
> That is clearly not the assertion/part I am talking about…

> He literally said the above quote I mentioned.

Which was discussing self confessed AA hires.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Monday September 15, 2025 @08:25AM (#45248845)
If you’re going to respond with barely any substance and ignore 80% of what I write then this isn’t going to be productive. Charlie Kirk was a cruel person who did not lead a life worth celebrating or emulating. He was murdered and did not deserve it. These are both true statements.

He lived and profited as a right wing troll. He provoked people to get a rise which was rewarded with clicks and money. His entire enterprise was indicative of what is wrong with this country right now and anyone heralding him as this MLK Jr. figure should be ashamed of the white washing they’re participating in.

This was a man who had a “woke professor” list (TP USA’s professor watchlist) which published the names of professors he considered “dangerous Marxists,” people that I know personally and who have subsequently received death threats and other fun treats as a result of his actions.

I won’t keep rattling off his sins because at some point it’s just unproductive. He did not deserve to die, but I will not be compelled to celebrate a person who did not exist.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by lunarboy on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:56PM (#45227707)
By other right white males btw
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Saturday September 13, 2025 @01:12PM (#45233654)
No. This guy was antifa (read bella ciao and fascist conspiracy theories on the bullet casings) the trump shooter was an ActBlue donor.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dttze on Saturday September 13, 2025 @06:04PM (#45235692)
He is a blackpilled 4channer not antifa. He was a fan of Nick Fuentes. Fuentes and Loomer turned on Kirk a few weeks ago over Epstein.

The fascist line is from hell divers.

Bella Caio is on a groyper playlist on Spotify.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Sunday September 14, 2025 @06:52AM (#45238894)
The fascist line being from hell divers and etched onto a bullet is still a conspiracy theory about fascists and we know who makes those. Bella Ciao being on one groyper playlist doesn’t change the fact that it’s been part of the original actual anti fascist movement for decades before American vigilantes took it up themselves. This is grasping at straws. His classmate and family said he went far left in recent years. We should believe them.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Sunday September 14, 2025 @05:55PM (#45243647)
With every update the WSJ’s original article, which largely informs people right now, has fallen apart. It’s so riddled with errors at this point that it should be retracted. I’d go so far as to say it’s deliberate misinformation at this stage.

Any attempts to neatly slot this into “he was left” or “he was right” are a waste of time. He doesn’t fit into that paradigm: https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-...

There isn’t a liberal in the country who follows Nick Fuentes. Dude is clearly a blackpilled 4chaner as described above.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by nailer on Monday September 15, 2025 @01:55PM (#45252859)
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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by BolexNOLA on Monday September 15, 2025 @03:29PM (#45253931)
Follow as a fan was heavily implied. Also all that reporting is super suspect, especially when some people are so eager to blame the trans community.