Have the TOTP in the same/another password manager (after considering the tradeoffs) and that can also not be entered unless the domain is right :)
You only need read the whole thread however to see reasons why this would sometimes not be enough: sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill, so the user can think it's one of those cases, or they're on mobile and they don't have the extension there, or...
As a matter of fact, he does use one, that didn't save him, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125
So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature
> he does use one
He doesn't since he has no autofill installed, so loses the key security+ convenience benefit of automatch
Still doesn’t work 100% of the time, because half of the companies on earth demote their developer time to breaking 1995-level forms. That’s why every popular password manager has a way to fill passwords for other domains, why people learn to use that feature, and why phishers have learned to convince people to use that feature.
WebAuthn prevents phishing. Password managers reduce it. This is the difference between being bulletproof like Superman or a guy in a vest.
As a developer I also love their ssh and gpg integrations, very handy.
I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod.
I wanted to highlight that "getting it for free from work" isn't a sweetheart deal offered just to OP, but a feature of 1Password for Teams, meaning all employees of a business that uses 1Password automatically have a Family license for use at home https://support.1password.com/link-family/
And, for clarity, it's merely a financial relationship: the business cannot manage your Family account, cannot see its contents, and if you have a separation event you can retain the Family account forever in a read only capacity or you can take over the payment (or, heh, I presume move to another employer that also uses 1Password) and nothing changes for your home passwords
That's why WebAuthn doesn't allow that as a core protocol feature, preventing both this attack and shifting the cost of unnecessary origin changes back to the company hosting the site. Attacking this guy for making a mistake in a moment of distraction is like prosecuting a soldier who was looking the other way when someone snuck past: wise leaders know that human error happens and structure the system to be robust against a single mistake.
> I was mobile, the autofill stuff isn't installed
Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack.
This is how Troy Hunt got phished. He was already very tired after a long flight, but his internal alarm bells didn't ring loud enough, when the password manager didn't fill in the credentials. He was already used to autofill not always working.
I dunno, it mostly seems to not work when companies change their field names/IDs, or just 3rd party authentication, then you need to manually add domains. Otherwise my password manager (1Password) works everywhere where I have an account, except my previous bank which was stuck in the 90s and disallowed pasting the passwords. If you find that your password manager doesn't work with most websites (since it's "extremely common") you might want to look into a different one, even Firefox+Linux combo works extremely well with 1Password. Not affiliated, just a happy years+ user.
> Passkeys seem like the best solution here where you physically can not fall for a phishing attack.
Yeah, I've looked into Passkeys but without any migration strategy or import/export support (WIP last time I looked into it), it's not really an alternative just yet, at least for me personally. I have to be 100% sure I can move things when the time ultimately comes for that.
> without any migration strategy or import/export support
Since you're already a 1Password user, I wanted to draw your attention to the "Show debugging tools" in the "Settings > Advanced" section. From that point, you can say "Copy Item JSON" and it will give you the details you would want for rescuing the Passkey. Importing it into something else is its own journey that I can't help with
{
"overview": {
"passkey": {
"credentialId": "...",
"rpId": "example.com",
"userHandle": "..."
},
...
"details": {
"passkey": {
"type": "webauthn",
"createdAt": 175.......,
"privateKey": "eyJ...",
"userHandle": "..."
}
For now, when companies let me have multiple passkeys, that's sufficient for me. I put one on my Apple Keychain and one in 1Password.
Login using one off email links (instead of username + password) is increasingly common which means its the only option.
Not promoting the pattern, I also find it worrying the majority of internet users have no basic understanding of authentication and the risk for their digital identity.
If you use username instead of email address attackers have to guess that too.
One quite serious problem I see quite often is using email plus password for login, and notifying on failed login that the email is not in the system, letting attackers validate which emails are logins.
And this is exactly the kind of phishing attack that is most effective, as this particular incident shows. So I'd say it's actually a worse phishing vector than magic links.
1. You just requested it, I'm not saying to never click link on transactional emails you requested. You still need to click on those verify email links
2. It replaces entering your password, so you're not entering your password on a link from an email, which is the very wrong thing.
I figure you aren't about to get fooled by phishing anytime soon, but based on some of your remarks and remarks of others, a PSA:
TRUSTING YOUR OWN SENSES to "check" that a domain is right, or an email is right, or the wording has some urgency or whatever is BOUND TO FAIL often enough.
I don't understand how most of the anti-phishing advice focuses on that, it's useless to borderline counter-productive.
What really helps against phishing :
1. NEVER EVER login from an email link. EVER. There are enough legit and phishing emails asking you to do this that it's basically impossible to tell one from the other. The only way to win is to not try.
2. U2F/Webauthn key as second factor is phishing-proof. TOTP is not.
That is all there is. Any other method, any other "indicator" helps but is error-prone, which means someone somewhere will get phished eventually. Particularly if stressed, tired, or in a hurry. It just happened to be you this time.
Good luck and well done again on the response!