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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by philipallstar on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @09:44AM (#45103040)
> On the other side, who the hell would pay for pro EU propaganda?

No one - the EU gets its money from force: taxes on citizens and fines from companies created in more entrepreneurial environments than the EU can produce.

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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @10:35AM (#45103687)
> taxes on citizens

1% of VAT goes to the EU, yes.

> fines from companies created in more entrepreneurial environments than the EU can produce.

Mostly the ones that have actually been imposed (on GDPR) go to the national governments.

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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by philipallstar on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @12:13PM (#45105050)
Seems like we agree: you don't need to advertise when you can force money out of people through VAT and rent-seek your citizens as customers.
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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by grim_io on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @06:42PM (#45110060)
Are you against taxes in general, or what's up?

I have no problem with it. I would even argue that the EU is under funded.

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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:25AM (#45113807)
> I have no problem with it. I would even argue that the EU is under funded.

I completely agree with you, the EU is definitely under-funded (but I get that the national governments don't want to share tax revenue).

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Re:Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want... by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:26AM (#45113811)
> Seems like we agree: you don't need to advertise when you can force money out of people through VAT and rent-seek your citizens as customers.

Not really. Like, the EU only has the powers given to it by national governments, 1% of VAT is probably too low tbh as there's a bunch of stuff that would be better solved at EU level. The politics around that are pretty tricky though.

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