The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust

Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by dakiol on Saturday August 30, 2025 @05:04PM (#45077990)

The one thing I don't like about PHP is that the whole application is bootstraped (and autoloading and the configuration is re-evaluated) in every single http request. Sure thing there's cache and all, but it just doesn't feel right (compared, to, for instance, an http server written in golang)

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by PetahNZ on Saturday August 30, 2025 @08:10PM (#45079157)

This is one of the best things about PHP IMO. It makes it very easy to scale out.

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by bornfreddy on Sunday August 31, 2025 @01:38AM (#45080624)

Yup. No shared state by default.

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by const_cast on Sunday August 31, 2025 @02:52PM (#45085892)

It also makes it much easier to debug and forces the complexity down.

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by klaussilveira on Saturday August 30, 2025 @05:10PM (#45078039)

There are well documented and production-ready libraries that you can use to run your own servers with PHP alone, no need for fpm or mod_php. PHP's JIT is pretty impressive and you would be blown away by the results.

https://reactphp.org/

https://www.php.net/manual/en/book.ev.php

https://bitbucket.org/osmanov/pecl-event

https://www.workerman.net/

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by duskwuff on Saturday August 30, 2025 @05:36PM (#45078202)

It doesn't have to be. Some PHP runtimes allow an application to run in a mode where a single script execution processes multiple HTTP requests:

https://frankenphp.dev/docs/worker/

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by mhsdef on Saturday August 30, 2025 @05:48PM (#45078278)

This is one of the things I do like about PHP.

Intrinsically minimized state (to a certain degree).

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Re:The Rise of Hybrid PHP: Blending PHP with Go and Rust by creatonez on Saturday August 30, 2025 @10:57PM (#45079955)

You're right. It's a completely asinine approach. Especially when PHP itself is used as a templating language.

And solutions that try to fix this (custom templating engines, runtimes that run the whole thing inside a continuous PHP process) are simply putting lipstick on a pig.

The solution is to use a language that wasn't originally called "Personal HomePage"

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