Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded!

Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by kibwen on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:16PM (#45028603)

> then do the repair yourself

This is awesome though, and exactly the sort of thing one buys a Framework for.

> the laptop's battery life is not good

Mine is great, I share a single USB-C cord among all my laptops (of which I have despairingly too many) and I often use my Framework all day while forgetting it's not plugged in. (Fedora, if the OS matters.)

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by bevr1337 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:35PM (#45028910)

I'm going to assume soldering on the main board is far outside the ability of most users. They're not through hole, big green boards like I learned on.

It is certainly awesome for those that can, of course!

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by simpaticoder on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:00PM (#45029272)

It does not make sense to praise a company for selling defective products because some of the customers have the ability to repair the defect.

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by yellowapple on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @08:23PM (#45033997)

It's a massive step up from the status quo of companies selling defective products without customers having the ability to repair the defect.

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by simpaticoder on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @09:11AM (#45039205)

Well then, you live in the best of worlds because every laptop is repairable even at the chip level or individual capacitor/resistor/connector level. All you need is a workshop, a multimeter, oscilloscope, probes, a hot air gun, a microscope, a variety of soldering tools, a variety of solder, solder mask, access to schematics and donor boards, and a lifetime of experience. Here's a guy who repairs Dell laptops all day every day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDsP1--ttQc

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by yellowapple on Friday August 29, 2025 @12:17PM (#45066025)

That's all a massive step beyond "order a free part from the vendor with instructions on how to solder it on yourself".

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by simpaticoder on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:55PM (#45029196)

>This is awesome though

No, it's not awesome. Upgrading ram and disk or replacing a motherboard, screen or battery is great. Repairing a badly designed motherboard with a soldering iron is not great. In fact, it's bad. I think there's a good argument that it violates (warranty) law. If a car company sells to you based on "right to repair" and then it turns out there was a design defect in the engine, is it "awesome" if they tell you you need to pull the engine and rebuild it?

Glad your battery life is good. I notice you didn't mention it losing power when suspended. Curious.

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by akho on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @10:30AM (#45040238)

> I notice you didn't mention it losing power when suspended. Curious.

Are you using a kernel > 6.8? It got (much) better.

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by simpaticoder on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @09:48PM (#45047405)

Interesting. I'm not normally in the habit of upgrading the kernel independently of the distribution, but it's worth trying. Thanks for the tip.

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by akho on Thursday August 28, 2025 @02:25AM (#45049061)

On earlier kernels, `acpi_osi="!Windows 2020"` was often recommended. Though I'm note sure what it does.

`nvme.noacpi=1` should be on, too, for all kernels.

(all derived from the nixos-hardware repo; I use that)

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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by simpaticoder on Thursday August 28, 2025 @05:41PM (#45057376)

Thanks. I upgraded the kernel (had to turn off secure boot to do it), and set the nvme kernel option, too. So far no unwanted side-effects, but it's too soon to say if it fixed the problem.

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