Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by autoexec on Monday August 25, 2025 @07:04PM
(#45020244)
> This is how macOS works, without a signature they will tell you they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware
Even with a signature they can't guarantee it doesn't have malware. The fact that signed malware exists should be enough to put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by mrits on Monday August 25, 2025 @09:03PM
(#45021082)
The fact that people die with helmets on motorcycles should put an end to the argument that it's for our own good.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by autoexec on Monday August 25, 2025 @09:09PM
(#45021118)
If you had to give away your privacy to use one and could only use helmets authorized by your motorcycle dealer you might have a point. We accept impositions on our freedom all the time when what we get in return is worth the sacrifice. If signed binaries actually delivered on their promise of keeping people safe there'd be a discussion that could be had on whether or not it'd be worthwhile, but since they don't actually protect people we'd be giving up our privacy for nothing.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by mrits on Monday August 25, 2025 @09:13PM
(#45021133)
What you said had absolutely nothing to do with your original illogical statement.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by autoexec on Monday August 25, 2025 @09:24PM
(#45021205)
"the argument that it's for our own good." is their instance that we should accept this loss of our freedom to run the software we want because it protects us. It doesn't actually protect us though, so it isn't worth it and we shouldn't accept it.
My original statement had nothing to do with motorcycle helmets, but if using them required us to give up enough of our freedoms they could also become unacceptable for the level or protection they provide (or fail to provide) us.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by mrits on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @09:37AM
(#45026373)
The existence of signed malware does not mean that it isn't in our own best interest to have signed software. It's the argument of antivaxxers. You are probably equally confused how that works as well.
"It doesn't actually protect us though, so it isn't worth it and we shouldn't accept it."
That is completely false and dangerous misinformation.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by int_19h on Monday August 25, 2025 @07:32PM
(#45020486)
Microsoft does the same exact thing with SmartScreen, except that it has a whitelist for popular binaries.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by tomsmeding on Monday August 25, 2025 @06:21PM
(#45019834)
Is the right-click -> Open workaround not a thing any more on macOS?
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by thebitstick on Monday August 25, 2025 @06:23PM
(#45019860)
Open -> Click away the error message -> Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Open Anyways -> Open Anyways -> Authenticate -> app actually opens
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by bithaze on Monday August 25, 2025 @06:58PM
(#45020191)
There's a ctrl+open shortcut, if I remember correctly, which may be what the parent comment is referring to.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by rpdillon on Monday August 25, 2025 @07:12PM
(#45020319)
Nope, they've been making it steadily more difficult with each release. The control open shortcut no longer works.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by soxfox42 on Monday August 25, 2025 @07:09PM
(#45020292)
As of macOS 15 (I think?), that shortcut stopped working, it will just show the same unverified software warning.
Re:Google to require developer verification to install and s...
by swat535 on Monday August 25, 2025 @10:09PM
(#45021503)
Nope, it has been removed. Also God help you if want to run something that needs system extensions..
You will need to boot to recovery mode, go through utility and enable it: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchl768f7291/...
Basically average users will never be able to pull this off.
Microsoft would love to do that too, but it just has too much of legacy software to introduce such a major hurdle.