usa famously bombed MSF hospital and canadian troops in afganistan.
france bombed wedding
idf in gaza also has a lot of casualties due to friendly fire. i think at some point of time it was around 30%
the bottom line: combat/war at enemy territory it's not same as shopping in costco at weekend.
It's not excusable and certainly can't be explained away. Israel has deliberately and repeatedly targeted hospitals, journalists and civilians. At some point hopefully enough of those carrying out these deliberate acts are tried to ensure that never again is this tolerated.
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on civilians
of course, this is to say nothing of morality: killing innocent civilians and their press for exercising their right to video their own land? gross.
killing the rescuers and doctors and reporters who responded to your first killing (and were within their rights to do so)? sick.
genociding hundreds of thousands of innocent palestinian civilians to avenge a thousand israeli ones because you think israeli people are superior and more valuable than palestinian people? literally atrocious.
hamas takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombi... . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this. sometimes hamas/pij/pflp will all claim responsibility .
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of unguided rockets shot from gaza (around 20000 in total) after israel left it in 2005
otherwise hamas could claim with at least as much credulity that every innocent person they killed just happened to be beside a soldier and they just missed, oops, so it's all good right?
or they could claim with at least as much credulity that there were no combatants launching attacks from the hospital, and that would cancel out israel's claims that there were, and thus israel's claimed justification
israel takes pride in attacking civilians. which is evidenced by multiple attacks over past 30 years against purely civilian targets. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence . they later proudly take responsibility for actions like this
i wonder what is your take on 20 years of illegal israeli occupation of palestine and terrorist attacks on palestinians?
if you missed what i wrote, hamas prides itself in killed civilians or everybody. they don't need to say that whoever they targeted are soldiers. because civilians are good target for them.
in fact, october 7th for them was part of the prophesy when all infadels will either be converted to islam or killed
" for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing."
https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...
just in case you don't know, israeli settler violence started only about 20 years ago by radicals called "hilltop youth" (there are only few hundred of them) who came up with a thing called "price tag". it meant that every attack on israeli (And there are a lot of them. you just not shown it on whatever media you consume) they will retaliate with similar attack
https://www.jns.org/over-6300-terror-attacks-against-jews-in...
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl...
Your assessment that this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians is justified by the unverified and unconvincing claims of the attacker, is incorrect. This is true for israel in particular because israel is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators and other civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians.
Yes: absent independent investigation and judgement, there is no credible justification for this attack on innocent Palestinian civilians by israel. Only insufficient excuses based on probable lies.
(Also, I looked at your sources, and surely you can't be serious. Obviously they're quite biased and can't be trusted to provide an accurate or full view of the situation.)
The unsubstantiated claims of the attacker are pretty much always insufficient justification for an attack, but in particular here, because israel in particular is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators, journalists, and other innocent civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians.
Maybe you could point me at the independent investigatory or journalistic organizations that israel has authorized to operate unmolested by them in Palestine? We're interested in the truth, right?
it's a war. israel doesn't have to provide justification to you or anybody else. just like usa and allies didn't have to provide justification to anybody when they leveled Mosul, falluja or raqqa. or when they leveled germany.
all western media operating in west bank. the only problem is that PA authorities are interfering with it. or west bank not palestine enough for you ?
and what makes you think that journalist organization promote truth ? i saw multiple times main stream media at prime time lying and twisting facts. recently (3 weeks ago) abby phillips said that facts doesn't matter in case they stand in a way of "righteous narrative"
> it's not whatabouatism
It is common for someone engaging in whataboutism to unconvincingly deny it. Unfortunately, your whataboutism is whataboutism. If you want to avoid accusations of whataboutism, don't engage in it. That means not saying stuff like 'but what about Y' when defending X.
> and what makes you think that journalist organization promote truth
What makes you think israel does? They're certainly less reliable than the average journalist, given that israel in particular is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators, journalists, and other innocent civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians.
> the only problem is that PA authorities are interfering with it.
You seem to be confused—israel is the one perpetrating the most journalist killing lately (the most in Palestine? No, the most in the entire world), and they forbid and prevent most journalists from entering or reporting from both the Gaza areas of Palestine and the West Bank areas of Palestine.
> israel doesn't have to provide justification to you or anybody else
Turns out, they do. The unsubstantiated claims of the attacker are pretty much always insufficient justification for an attack, but in particular here, because israel in particular is globally notorious for lying, for attacking investigators, journalists, and other innocent civilians, and as we both noted in our posts, for 40+ years of violent, racist, israeli terrorist attacks against innocent Palestinian civilians.
Apparently one strike isn't enough for the army that can perform point strikes against scientists in Iran, they "fumble" and bomb a hospital, then do it again and bomb the people who rush in to help.
The last witnesses who are able to expose the extent of unimaginable cruelty are being threatened, targeted and killed off.