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Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by softwaredoug on Saturday August 23, 2025 @02:50PM (#44998141)
My answer is the prior for “is this science harmful” is strongly “no” in vaccine case and needs a lot of evidence to move away from that prior.

The opposite is true of tobacco etc.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by pseudoscienfist on Saturday August 23, 2025 @02:55PM (#44998175)
I think we agree that vaccines are a net benefit to humanity and the world.

That doesn't mean there aren't dangers to vaccines, or that they could be made safer, or, that the pharmaceutical industry is complicit in masking the dangers.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by softwaredoug on Saturday August 23, 2025 @03:07PM (#44998294)
Oh sure

I just don’t trust RFK Jr to be the person to tell us about vaccine safety. I’d personally need some pretty convincing evidence to change my mind.

For example he holds on to long debunked claims about vaccines and autism that have been repeatedly studied and refuted.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by mccoyb on Saturday August 23, 2025 @03:01PM (#44998230)
Share some references, friendo. Claims require evidence.
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by pseudoscienflst on Saturday August 23, 2025 @03:19PM (#44998400)
Have you been following the mRNA Covid vaccine happenings?

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availabi...

There are many examples if you're willing to look.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by softwaredoug on Saturday August 23, 2025 @03:49PM (#44998597)
I’m not sure anything the FDA is doing past Jan 2025 can be trusted as a reliable form of evidence.
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by wat10000 on Saturday August 23, 2025 @05:58PM (#44999470)
“RFK Jr. requires warning labels” is not evidence of danger.
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by keepgettingban on Saturday August 23, 2025 @09:52PM (#45000628)
From TFA:

> a post-approval U.S. studyExternal Link Disclaimer funded and co-authored by FDA and published in September 2024

So we believe it now because it was done under Biden's admin?

It's best not to make arguments from genetic fallacy when they don't actually support your claim.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by wat10000 on Saturday August 23, 2025 @10:25PM (#45000773)
The study was under Biden. The warning requirement is under RFK Jr. I maintain my point.
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by keepgettingban on Saturday August 23, 2025 @11:36PM (#45001136)
To be crystal clear - the finding under Biden was that there are non-negligible risks of myocarditis after receiving the vaccine.

This exact fact was downplayed by both Pfizer and Moderna during Operation Warp Speed (oh no, that was under Trump so can we trust it?).

A genuine desire to understand reality would lead you to examine this incongruence.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by defrost on Saturday August 23, 2025 @11:44PM (#45001181)
"the vaccine" ... which vaccine?

None the less:

  Long-term follow-up data from a new NCIRS study have revealed low hospitalisation rates, improved health-related quality of life over time and no deaths among individuals with myocarditis associated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccination who were followed up over 18 months following their diagnosis. 

  ‘This is the longest and most comprehensive prospective follow-up study of individuals diagnosed with myocarditis following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination to date that includes direct assessment of the individuals’ clinical progression and health-related quality of life.’

  ‘Our study suggests that while a proportion of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis cases remained symptomatic at 12–18 months, they were clinically mild compared with myocarditis caused by viral infections – including SARS-CoV-2 – and the subsequent impact on health-related quality of life was also mild,’ concluded Dr Deng.
~ https://ncirs.org.au/ncirs-study-assesses-clinical-progressi...

From Australia, a country of ~ 25 million where ~ 98% of the population were triple vaccinated for COVID with pre-existing comprehensive population wide medical records going back to at least the 1970s.

Despite the "flood" of vaccine there was no significant increase of myocarditis in the population before | after mass vaccination.

A genuine desire to understand reality would lead you to examine this incongruence.

Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by keepgettingban on Saturday August 23, 2025 @11:53PM (#45001229)
I think maybe you've missed my point. I'm not sure if you read my initial question (flagged into hidden now), but I was trying to discuss blind faith in big pharma.
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by wat10000 on Sunday August 24, 2025 @12:48AM (#45001486)
Unlikely. Nobody has blind faith in big pharma so what’s the point in trying to discuss it?
Re:RFK Jr demanded a vaccine study be retracted – the journa... by defrost on Sunday August 24, 2025 @01:06AM (#45001547)
You can link to your initial question if you wish (one of the other green accounts?)

I don't have blind faith in big pharma, I don't know anyone who does.

I do trust the epidemiologists I've personally met and worked with, I do see the many separate and independent studies across multiple countries that all conclude mRNA myocardial risk is real but minor, not deadly if addressed, and associated with one class of mRNA vaccine (not all), and conclude that vaccine risk is less than no vaccine risk.

Given Australia ceased using the specific mRNA vaccine that demonstrated a correlation with a very slight increase in hospitalization is moot in any case.