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Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by ants_everywhere on Thursday August 21, 2025 @07:10PM (#44979267)
Junior developers are entering a workforce where they will never not be using AI
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by eru on Thursday August 21, 2025 @08:23PM (#44979792)
I don't think using AI at all is forbidden, he just doesn't want AI to do the whole PR?
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by ants_everywhere on Thursday August 21, 2025 @08:32PM (#44979840)
The requirement is explicitly

> If you are using *any kind of AI assistance* to contribute to Ghostty, it must be disclosed in the pull request.

This is sufficiently confusing that someone is asking if this applies to tab completion. They commit actually says

> trivial tab-completion doesn't need to be disclosed, so long as it is limited to single keywords or short phrases.

So if you take this literally you're going to be disclosing every yasnippet expansion that completes boilerplate.

The policy as written isn't sensible and I don't think it's entirely coming from a sensible place.

Junior developers need to learn how to code with AI because that's what coding is now. Not that he has to help them. But it does read a bit weird to toot your horn about how important it is to be helpful until it comes to helping people understand how to navigate the current environment then it's not worth your time.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by 0x6c6f6c on Thursday August 21, 2025 @09:21PM (#44980135)
Disclosing doesn't mean it will be declined, it's just a signal for reviewers.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by rerdavies on Friday August 22, 2025 @11:05AM (#44985518)
The question is going to be: is it a USEFUL signal. I suspect not. And frankly, to be honest, as a senior developer who uses AI assistants routinely, I would consider it a serious disincentive to actually submit a PR in the first place to a repository that has such a policy. Submitting a good PR is hard work. Often an order of magnitude more work than the fix itself. If I think that a repository is going to not accept my PR just because I use a coding assistant, I'm going to be much less inclined to submit a PR at all.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by aleph_minus_one on Friday August 22, 2025 @08:59AM (#44984098)
> Junior developers need to learn how to code with AI because that's what coding is now.

Rather: this is what coding is now in some Silicon Valley bubbles.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by makeitdouble on Thursday August 21, 2025 @09:11PM (#44980077)
The rules can be finely adjusted when it actually becomes problematic, they're not trying to pass a law through Congress.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by hagbarth on Friday August 22, 2025 @03:12AM (#44981765)
They will still need to learn to recognise if the output from AI is good or not.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by tpoacher on Friday August 22, 2025 @04:58AM (#44982323)
Yes, in the same way junior pilots are entering a workforce where they will never not be using an autopilot.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by aleph_minus_one on Friday August 22, 2025 @08:59AM (#44984099)
> Junior developers are entering a workforce where they will never not be using AI

This remark seems very US-centric to me. In my observation, many people are much more skeptical concerning whether AI is actually useful beyond some gimmicky applications.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by MacsHeadroom on Monday August 25, 2025 @01:24PM (#45016312)
Half the planet is more AI-positive than the US. Something like only 4% of Chinese people are concerned about AI while around half of Americans are concerned about AI.