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Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by password321 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:47AM (#44930296)
Most of Africa which mostly hasn't been bombed by the West. Billions of charity investment.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by crikeykangaroo on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:02AM (#44930377)
Apparently, they don't teach history properly in Britain as well! No wonder things aren't going so well.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by defrost on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:53AM (#44930322)
The west and the east are still gutting African resources to this day via a bunch of carrots and sticks that rarely include direct bombing by a Western country or China.

Plenty of western mercenary groups supporting traditional land takeover by corporations, funding radical groups to destabilize effective governments forming or growing in strength is still ongoing.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by extraisland on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:11AM (#44930424)
Much of this is often hidden from the public. This argument that people should be somehow punished for actions of others that they are unaware of and have very little power over is insane IMO.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by defrost on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:29AM (#44930510)
I doubt few are arguing that various Africans should be punished by losing their traditional farming land of many generations because of the iceberg lettuce consuming actions of others they are unaware of.

None the less it continues to happen.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by extraisland on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:38AM (#44930561)
They are not talking about the Africans. They are talking about the British.

Immigration has had many negative effects on social cohesion in the UK. That is just an unfortunate fact. That is obvious if you have lived in poorer areas of some the cities in the UK.

When this subject is normally broached on TV channels such as the BBC. The argument often put forth is that we should accept large amounts of immigration because of the the British Empire and the wars in the Middle-East. It is often framed as if we should accept it as a form of punishment.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by churchill on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:43AM (#44930593)
I hear some Brits & immigrants raise that argument and it's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Can you imagine seeing yourself as a punishment to be inflicted upon someone else?
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by crikeykangaroo on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:11PM (#44935370)
Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair... But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly so).
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by extraisland on Monday August 18, 2025 @04:11AM (#44938419)
> Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair

That is how many of the left talk about it. Some are more coy than others, but nonetheless that is the theme.

> But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly so).

So? The vast majority of the people in country literally had nothing to do with those events.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by crikeykangaroo on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:07PM (#44943552)
Well... Too bad the government is (supposedly?) democratically elected by its people? Such actions may have consequences.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by extraisland on Monday August 18, 2025 @03:04PM (#44944104)
That unfortunately is a common fallacy that people engage in.

In the first chapter of "Anatomy of the State" this idea is utterly demolished.

> With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, “we are the government.” The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “committed suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fallacy to a greater or lesser degree.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by rich_sasha on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:20AM (#44930469)
I recommend reading "the Heart of Darkness" about some pristine unbombed idyllic stretches of the Congo river. Written by a totally English person as well, Joseph Conrad.

...

Actually, no, by an immigrant from Poland.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by churchill on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:55AM (#44930340)
Charity? I mean, it's an open secret that both sides understand that the bulk of the money sent to African countries isn't supposed to be spent on the people. It's a subsidy/bribe to their developing-world elites to keep them pliable and obedient to basically everything they're told.

It's almost immediately laundered back into London & Paris real estate and Swiss bank accounts.

Wait, you thought Western countries were handing out gibs/NEETbux to African countries just because they feel bad for them?

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by extraisland on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:08AM (#44930410)
You are right the majority of people are indeed mislead about where the money is spent.

How are people supposed to get things right when they are constantly misled by both their governments and intuitions?

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by jaggs on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:54AM (#44930334)
Oh come on, Africa has been absolutely stripped of all its huge commodity, mineral and material wealth by the west for more than a century.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by password321 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @08:10AM (#44931040)
Africa is not a unique victim. Plenty of parts of the world have had mass enslavement, genocide, pillaging, colonisation and are on their way up.

Even North Korea is more well developed despite being a isolated communist state run by a mafia.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by derelicta on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:54AM (#44930336)
Western politicians and their capitalist economy required colonialism and imperialism. To this day, Westerners can't stay where they are without meddling in the affairs of others, and then they complain about it. But worry not, the economic development of Africa and Asia will soon render Europe and Amerika into very isolated and uninteresting parts of the world.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by Husieandr on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:00AM (#44930367)
Unfortunately there's just as little hope of Africa and Asia thriving economically as there is of Africans and Asians leaving us in peaceful and prosperous isolation. We're going to have to send them all back by force.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by derelicta on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:04AM (#44930385)
You tell that to the People's Republic of China, to Burkina Faso and many others. If you accepted your silly little racial capitalism wasn't completely obsolete and morally bankrupt, maybe there would be hope for you island people.
Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by fentanyl_peyotl on Sunday August 17, 2025 @08:24PM (#44936149)
China, known for its racial harmony and ethical business practices

Tbh I do think we should look to them for how they deal with the Muslims

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by churchill on Sunday August 17, 2025 @06:12AM (#44930431)
On one hand, I can understand your frustration at demographic & social changes. Everybody would be offended at that, no matter their race/nationality. On another, I think you're channeling your angst towards the wrong direction.

Over the past 30-80 years, Western countries collected social security contributions from workers but instead of investing/saving them, spent it all like tax. To fund pensions for that now-aged generation, you need fresh, warm bodies to pay taxes.

Sadly, that generation (boomers) had q modest fertility rate. They also live significantly longer than when social security became a norm in the West. 20-30 years more. So you need to tax their kids aggressively for longer to fund pensions & benefits for the boomers. Oh, and since the boomers' kids are having even fewer kids, it's a vicious cycle.

One way to remedy this is to suck in taxpayers from other countries & put them to work paying for the comfort of the boomers until they shuffle off the mortal coil.

So, here are your options:

1. Cut off the boomers and let them starve. But, it's untenable since their votes are a huge bloc and they'd revolt.

2. Expel every single immigrant and tax receipts will plummet. Your indig. young people will pay even more taxes to fund the boomers, unless you revert back to No. 1. Again, not tenable unless you abolish your democracy and establish a dictatorial state.

3. Maintain the current model and let it drag on.

It did not have to be like this. You could have taken Singapore's path of accumulating massive reserves ($2.5 trillion for 6 million people), but you didn't. I hope you figure it out, but I don't think anything drastic will happen.

Just like in Greece, when European lenders told them to impose austerity, leftist parties claimed they'd get into power and maintain all the benefits they'd promised the people. Fuck the globalists.

But, they got into power and realized their finances were well and truly fucked and they had to quietly undergo restructuring despite all their huffing and puffing.

Many immigrants commit crimes, yes, and I believe they need to be repressed. But, many others gratefully work and pay taxes. If you want to expel them, you need to be ready for the options above. Even if you are, many of your countrymen are not.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by vladvasiliu on Sunday August 17, 2025 @08:54AM (#44931247)
> So, here are your options:

[...]

2. Expel every single immigrant

3. Maintain the current model

How about another, more nuanced option: let in those immigrants who are willing to work (and, ideally, integrate), and not everybody?

And also, crack down on illegal employment. Maybe being an undeclared, underpaid cook in some EU restaurant is better than being bombed in Syria or shot by some random dictator's goons in Africa, but that doesn't really help the local society if it's unfair competition. If you accept people in, insist that they have papers and can afford to be regular members of society.

Re:Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK by churchill on Sunday August 17, 2025 @09:29AM (#44931421)
That'd be the ideal option. So, why don't the Brits do it? Make sure every immigrant is paying into the system from the moment they step off the plane. If you're not doing that, but instead subsidizing refugees, you can't really be mad at them for accepting free stuff that you willingly give them.

It's a you problem.