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Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by _mu on Thursday August 14, 2025 @05:23PM (#44905856)
> He didn’t have ego though.

False. Steve Jobs had a massive ego and was by no means a saint. He got a girl pregnant and tried to skirt the responsibility. That's not someone with no ego.

Steve Jobs was also a genius and his bullying pushed a lot of people to excellence.

Someone can be both a genius on the one hand and a total shithead on the other. That's called being human. <3

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by lunarboy on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:41PM (#44907027)
I met Jobs as a high schooler at Westfield Valley Fair with a "Programming in Objective-C for iPhone" book in hand during like the iPhone 3G era, and he refused to sign the book lol
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by wkat4242 on Thursday August 14, 2025 @11:18PM (#44908268)
He was a textbook narcissist. They're all about ego.
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by WalterBright on Thursday August 14, 2025 @11:47PM (#44908421)
And Apple would never have existed without him.
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by wkat4242 on Thursday August 14, 2025 @11:52PM (#44908443)
True, I'm not saying that. I'm sure without a big ego you won't succeed as a big businessman. I'm just saying he was a very typical narcissist and as such his ego would have been important to him (which is what the thread discussion was about). I didn't state any moral judgment there (though I do have one which I elaborated on elsewhere)
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by WalterBright on Thursday August 14, 2025 @11:57PM (#44908465)
> I'm sure without a big ego you won't succeed as a big businessman

I agree. Unconfident people will never take the personal risks needed to get big.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by throawaywpg on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:34AM (#44912239)
and in fact many unconfident people feel its somehow immoral to feed their ego in this way
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by wkat4242 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @12:18PM (#44924736)
Having confidence isn't necessarily a good thing of course.

Neither is 'getting big'.

A lot of politics and industry is made up by vacuous people selling hot air these days. Too much confidence, too little respect and knowledge.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by fuzzfactor on Sunday August 17, 2025 @11:14AM (#44932203)
People even more confident than the egoists can have the very same feeling.
Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by WalterBright on Thursday August 14, 2025 @11:46PM (#44908413)
> his bullying pushed a lot of people to excellence

A story about Chuck Yeager. He did a stint as squadron commander in the Korean War. When he arrived at the airbase, he watched the squadron land. Afterwards, he called all the pilots together, got a bucket of paint, and marked off two lines across the runway.

He said the pilots were doing sloppy landings and would now land between the two lines. The pilots protested, saying that was impossible. So Yeager got in a jet, took off, circled the airfield, and touched down exactly at the midpoint between the lines.

The squadron pilots got the point.

Yeager wanted his pilots to survive combat, and that meant being perfect pilots every time. If I was a pilot, I'd be glad to have a squadron leader like that in command, even if he was a total asshole.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by satiated_grue on Friday August 15, 2025 @08:37AM (#44911612)
I think you'll really enjoy watching "12 O'Clock High" with Gregory Peck.

I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced copy of the book.

Re:Steve Wozniak: Life to me was never about accomplishment,... by WalterBright on Friday August 15, 2025 @02:45PM (#44916070)
I've seen it several times. I have an ancient crumbly paperback of it.

My dad, 32 missions over Germany in a B-17, said it was representative of how things were.

See also the original "Memphis Belle".