Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by pshirshov on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @05:51PM
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Can I just have a backplane? Pretty please?
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Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by theandrewbailey on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @06:53PM
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I've wondered why there hasn't been a desktop with a CPU+RAM card that slots into a PCIe x32 slot (if such a thing could exist), or maybe dual x16 slots, and the motherboard could be a dumb backplane that only connected the other slots and distributed power, and probably be much smaller.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by namibj on Thursday August 14, 2025 @05:25AM
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Those exist; they are used for risers ("vertical mount GPU brackets, for dual GPU" equivalent for servers, where they make the cards flat again).
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by KeplerBoy on Thursday August 14, 2025 @06:51AM
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PCIe x 32 actually exists, at least in the specification. I have never seen a picture of a part using it.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by iszomer on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:48AM
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Retimers.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by colejohnson66 on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @06:03PM
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Sockets (and especially backplanes) are absolutely atrocious for signal integrity.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by pshirshov on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @07:00PM
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I guess if it's possible to have 30cm PCIe 5 riser cables, it should be possible to have a backplane with traces of similar length.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by namibj on Thursday August 14, 2025 @05:26AM
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Cables much better sadly, so much so that they started to use cables to jump across the server main board in places.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by vFunct on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @06:10PM
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VMEBus for the win! (now VPX...)
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by pezezin on Thursday August 14, 2025 @03:49AM
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The hot stuff nowadays is µTCA: https://www.picmg.org/openstandards/microtca/
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by crimony on Thursday August 14, 2025 @05:46AM
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If I remember correctly the military / aerospace shy away from this spec because the connector with the pins is on the backplane, with the sockets on the cards.
So if you incorrectly insert a card and bend a pin you're in trouble.
VPX has the sockets on the backplane so avoids this issue, if you bend pins you just grab another card from spares.
This may have changed since I last looked at it.
Telecoms industry definitely seem to favour TCA though.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by pezezin on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:54PM
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I don't know, I work in particle physics and here µTCA is all the rage nowadays.
Re:PCIe 8.0 Announced by the PCI-Sig Will Double Throughput ...
by guerrilla on Thursday August 14, 2025 @07:16AM
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Yes, for fucks sake, this is the only way forward. It gives us the ultimate freedom to do whatever we want in the future. Just make everything a card on the bus and quit with all this hierarchy nonsense.