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Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by api on Monday August 11, 2025 @10:04PM (#44871547)
Why is fertility so low in Iran then? Or very Catholic Poland? It does not seem to correlate strongly with religion or belief systems.

The strongest correlation I see is urbanization. People in cities don’t have kids as much.

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by lucketone on Monday August 11, 2025 @10:51PM (#44871816)
Educated women tend to have fewer children.

(Also fewer child deaths)

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by api on Saturday August 16, 2025 @12:27PM (#44924828)
Educated men also father fewer children. Takes two. Educated people with the means will choose when to reproduce.
Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by anonym29 on Monday August 11, 2025 @11:09PM (#44871934)
Anecdotal observation / hypothesis:

- there's an inverse relationship between quality of life and density, even within individual households

- there's a higher premium on space in urbanized areas than in rural areas

- there's been a move towards urbanization across the world, high HDI, low HDI, high religion, low religion

I propose something similar to Parkinson's Law: Average family size expands (or contracts) to fill the physical space that is economically viable for a given individual/family.

Rationally, this couldn't be the only factor, given density and urbanization patterns predate the more rapid fertility decline in recent decades, but as one more factor on top of a pile of others that may also be contributing to the trend, I think it could plausibly play a contributing role in the decline.

Thoughts?

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by bombcar on Monday August 11, 2025 @11:28PM (#44872072)
I think it matters in how you define quality of life, for one.

Take a family of five kids and give them a bedroom for each kid when young and they’ll end up clustering in one or two.

I think space and other pressures may have their place as causes, but are mostly downstream from whatever the root issues are.

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by anonym29 on Monday August 11, 2025 @11:38PM (#44872136)
>Take a family of five kids and give them a bedroom for each kid when young and they’ll end up clustering in one or two.

Do you have anecdata on this? I grew up with a single sibling, and we had to share a room as young children due to economic circumstances, but we were both very excited to get our own rooms when our parents bought a larger house.

I have no kids of my own and don't plan on having any, but I'm fascinated by this perspective.

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by bombcar on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @12:13AM (#44872343)
My experiences is that below the age of six, they ALL want to cluster together. Above six it starts to sex-segregate naturally, and around teen years the desire for their own space soars.

But even then they often want congregation, but the ability to retreat. I sometimes think the perfect “large family” house would be tons of tiny bedrooms but lots of common areas. Almost college dorm-like.

Another anectdata - I’ve never met a family with same-sex twins where the twins did NOT live in the same room, even when there was ample space to not do so. I presume the triplet case is even stronger.

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @08:58AM (#44875673)
I have 8 kids, they cluster at night, sing to each other, recite poetry, and talk late into the night.

It’s more similar to how families slept for millennia.

Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by getajob1160 on Wednesday August 13, 2025 @01:28PM (#44891282)
sounds like a potentially abusive situation.
Re:The Demographic Future of Humanity: Facts and Consequence... by neaden on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @10:56AM (#44877071)
Iran specifically was super worried about overpopulation in the 80s and the government began a massive program to decrease childbirth rates. With things like government messaging on small families and providing free birth control. Here is a graph that shows it https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/irn/ira...