Re:60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American
by Macha on Saturday August 09, 2025 @12:45PM
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The proportion of Irish Americans among the American working class in the the era of the American civil war _was_ much larger than it is today.
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Re:60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American
by throwaway1004 on Saturday August 09, 2025 @01:04PM
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No doubt that is true but it doesn't seem to account for the discrepancy, at least not without acquiring more data.
Google's LLM is spitting out ~250K immigrant and first-generation Irish fighting in the Civil War, sitting roughly at 10% of the total.
That doesn't account for second-generation and older, so I would be interested to see what social mobility was like for those more-established Irish-Americans: were they languishing in the working class, or did they exit from the middle class to go fight in wars disproportionately?
edit: how significant is the class factor, anyway? Does that model really apply, and how many citizens would be considered middle or upper class; enough to make a large statistical impact?
Re:60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American
by daveguy on Saturday August 09, 2025 @02:17PM
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Google's LLM is an LLM. Results from an LLM are garbage unless you can test them. Any other sources?
Re:60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American
by throwaway1004 on Saturday August 09, 2025 @02:44PM
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Yes, I made sure to highlight that this was the (unreliable) source, consider it an invitation for the history buffs to chime in.
Food for thought: if I had posted the very first source available on Google as authorative, with no actual knowledge of my own to make the claim, that could be more misleading on aggregate, right?
Re:60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American
by daveguy on Saturday August 09, 2025 @04:32PM
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Agreed, it's not so much where you find the source, but the source itself. Unquestioningly taking "first result" is just as bad as taking anything from an LLM and representing it as a factual answer. Also, kagi generally has higher quality search results (that can be checked).