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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by jcelerier on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:34PM (#44800294)
Qwen Code is really not representative of the state of the art though. With the right prompt I have no problem getting Claude to output me a complete codebase (e.g. a non trivial library interfacing with multiple hardware devices) with the specs I want, in modern c++ that builds, runs, has documentation and unit tests sourced from data sheets and manufacturer specs from the go
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by PaulHoule on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @04:16PM (#44803687)
Assuming there aren't tricky concurrency issues and the documentation makes sense, device drivers are the easiest thing in the world to code.

There's the old trope that systems programmers are smarter than applications programmers but SWE-Bench puts the lie to that. Sure, SWE-Bench problems are all in the language of software, applications programmers take badly specified tickets in the language of product managers, testers and end users and have to turn that into the language of SWE-Bench to get things done.

Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by rcxdude on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:33PM (#44805308)
To some extent, for sure. The fact that electronics engineers that have picked up a bit of software write a large fraction of the world's device drivers does point to it not being the most challenging of software tasks, but on the other hand the real 'systems engineering' is writing the code that lets those engineers do so successfully, which I think is quite an impressive feat.
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by com2kid on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @01:06AM (#44807881)
> device drivers are the easiest thing in the world to code.

Except the documentation lies and in reality your vendor shipped you a part with timing that is slightly out of sync with what the doc says and after 3 months of debugging, including using an oscilloscope, you figure out WTF is going on. You report back to your supplier and after two weeks of them not saying any thing they finally reply that the timings you have reverse engineered are indeed the correct timings, sorry for any misunderstandings with the documentation.

As an application's engineer, my computer doesn't lie to me and memory generally stays at a value I set it to unless I did something really wrong.

Backend services are the easiest thing in the world to write, I am 90% sure that all the bullshit around infra is just artificial job security, and I say this as someone who primarily does backend work now days.

Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by astrange on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @03:30AM (#44808832)
I'm not sure if this counts as systems or application engineering, but if you think your computer doesn't lie to you, try writing an nginx config. Those things aren't evaluated at /all/ the way they look like they are.
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by com2kid on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @02:53PM (#44816088)
At no point have any of my nginx files ever flipped their own bits.

Are they a constant source of low level annoyance? Sure. But I've never had to look at a bus timing diagram to understand how to use one, nor worried about an nginx file being rotated 90 degrees and wired up wrong!

Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by Hammershaft on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @02:52PM (#44802521)
That exceeds my expectations! I'm willing to change my mind, do you have any cool examples i should look at?
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by jg0r3 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @04:51PM (#44804096)
That also wildly exceeds my experience. The documentation + code generated would be enlightening!
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by Uehreka on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:59PM (#44800704)
I was joking! Claude Code is still the best afaik, though I’d compare it more to “sending a 1440p HDR fax of your user story to a 4-armed mime whose mind is then read by a Aztec psychic who has taken just the right amount of NyQuil.”
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by v3xro on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:56PM (#44800646)
Probably the saddest comment I've read all day. Crafting software line-by-line is the best part of programming (maybe when dealing with hardware devices you can instead rely on auto-generated code from the register/memory region descriptions).
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by nopinsight on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @02:09PM (#44801919)
How long would that be economically viable when a sufficient number of people can generate high-qualify code in 1/10th the time? (Obviously, it will always be possible as a hobby.)
Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by esseph on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @09:16PM (#44806572)
I think eventually the move to "coding with AI" may be like the jump from coding in low level to higher level languages was.