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Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by myotheraccount2 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @11:42AM (#44799475)
Policy based on revenge, stupidity and probably bribes.
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by guywithahat on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:16PM (#44800022)
Why would canceling contracts require bribes? Bribes are something you do to get government contracts. I wouldn't bribe you to not give me money
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by pavel_lishin on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:18PM (#44800050)
If there's fewer money to invest in solar, that means traditional (read: fossil) fuels get used more.
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by pixelatedindex on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:20PM (#44800064)
I can bribe you to cancel a contract so you can enter a contract with me
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by guywithahat on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @06:56PM (#44818821)
But the US government is not replacing the grants with grants to anyone else. Instead of the EPA giving out 7B in grants to their friends, each company will now have to fairly compete in the free market.

Fair market competition =/= corruption

Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by fnordpiglet on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:31PM (#44800233)
Bribes here are likely donation based to PACs and they would be by fossil fuel interests who want to see the share of energy production from renewables slow or decline to maintain their own business. This is frankly akin to subsidizing cigarette smoking, a habit that fouls the air and kills people, but on a global scale. Sigh.
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by pahkah on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:57PM (#44800689)
This particular bribe was reported on over a year ago, when Trump was raising money from oil execs for his campaign. It seems likely that the overall push against clean energy (pushing for dispatchable generation, canceling tax credits for green energy projects) is related. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-exec...
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by guywithahat on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @02:01PM (#44815458)
Rivian execs gave money to the Biden/Harris campaign and their causes, and they gave Rivian a ~6.6 billion dollar taxpayer subsidized loan. The idea an executive might have personal political opinions is not enough to claim it's corruption.

It feels like your argument is they will have to compete in the free market instead of just being given free money, which isn't corruption. Corruption would be giving companies 7B in grants through the EPA or 6.6B dollar loans through the DOE. Letting people plan on a fair playing field isn't corruption

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biden-throws-struggling-ri...

Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by ninininino on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:33PM (#44800273)
This is a simplistic understanding. Competing industries: solar, oil & natural gas, wind, nuclear, hydro etc.

Cancel tax rebates, subsidies, grants, etc. for one of your competing industries and your own benefits because your costs and supply is relative to the others. Your own price is never evaluated in a vacuum where those other energy options are not relevant.

Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by exe34 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:57PM (#44801705)
Do you seriously think "drill, baby, drill" is a policy based on careful study of the data on the impact on people's lives now and in the future?
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by sofixa on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:20PM (#44800057)
> I wouldn't bribe you to not give me money

But you would definitely bribe so your competitors don't get money and your services are required for longer. Existing coal and various other fossil fuel power generating and supply chain companies would be very happy to have less competition from solar.

See Boeing managing to get the KC-45 tanker contract awarded to Airbus cancelled (for a plane that mostly existed and needed some US specific updates), to get a new one they won, that not only have they still not managed to deliver on, but they're also losing money.

Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by plandis on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:29PM (#44800203)
I don’t know if I buy that this is a conspiracy with bribes but killing the grants reduces the rate of growth of energy generation which reduces its future supply.

Adding energy capacity reduces the prices at which firms can sell energy since there would be more supply. Removing the grants means that existing energy generation firms need to worry less about how increased supply would harm their prices.

Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by insane_dreamer on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:25PM (#44801162)
Bribes by those who would benefit from the contract being cancelled (oil, gas). Probably not actual bribes but “favors”, PAC support and the like.
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by dyauspitr on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:20PM (#44800068)
Oil companies desperately trying to burning fuels relevant
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by normalaccess on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:33PM (#44800283)
Or the fact that Microsoft believes they have cracked *fusion* power. Sun in a bottle.

Microsoft is breaking ground in WA state building a new fusion reactor.

  https://kpq.com/helion-fusion-plant-chelan-pud/
EDIT: Adding description to video link

Video from Real Engineering showing Helion's Pulsed Compression Fusion reactor prototype (2022). The same kind of reactor Helion is building in WA state for Microsoft.

  https://youtu.be/_bDXXWQxK38
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by normalaccess on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:17PM (#44801008)
Boy, people don't seem to like the idea of fusion...
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by pavlov on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:57PM (#44800660)
Always downvoting YouTube links unless they come with extremely clear context ("This is a talk I gave at conference X", etc.)
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by normalaccess on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:11PM (#44800905)
That's fair, I forget there is no auto preview here... I'll add the description
Re:EPA Moves to Cancel $7B in Grants for Solar Energy by QuantumGood on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @01:59PM (#44801752)
Lobbying vs bribes can be a distinction without a difference, but it usually needs to be included with bribes on any such list.