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Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by tomjuggler on Sunday July 27, 2025 @11:19AM (#44701957)
My 11 year old son has an old android phone, to keep in touch with his friends and family.

He does not have access to any form of social media.

His friend list is limited to people he knows irl.

Activity on all devices is monitored (Google family link) and controlled (pi-hole, DNS blocking, ad blocking etc).

The internet is a cesspool and I agree we should limit children from free access to this - but telling kids to stick to pen and paper until they are 13 isn't the way to do it.

Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by evanmoran on Sunday July 27, 2025 @12:08PM (#44702298)
Just to add to this. It’s important to monitor group chats a well as avoiding social media. Close friends 1 on 1 are usually somewhat ok, but the bigger groups / discords that happen quickly in middle school have more issues.
Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by redeeman on Sunday July 27, 2025 @04:48PM (#44704558)
i dont think its acceptable to monitor and read your kids chats. Great way to show your trust in them
Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by tmpz22 on Sunday July 27, 2025 @11:28AM (#44702029)
Definitely agree. Kids are not prisoners and will react predictably if you try vainly to lock them down. Theyll find vpns, save money for their own phone, barrow a friends ipad, google the simplest way to jailbreak a cheap IoT device, or any of dozens of ways to subvert lockdown.

Or worse the kid wont be subvertive. Theyll be supplicative, submissive, and compliant.

Maybe just spend a few less hours in the office or on netflix and develop a trust filled relationship with your child, prempting the biggest threats with candid conversation about sex, drugs, risk analysis, and the fact that as a parent we broke all those rules too.

Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by bluefirebrand on Sunday July 27, 2025 @12:12PM (#44702334)
> Kids are not prisoners and will react predictably if you try vainly to lock them down. Theyll find vpns, save money for their own phone, barrow a friends ipad, google the simplest way to jailbreak a cheap IoT device, or any of dozens of ways to subvert lockdown

This all actually seems like good lessons to me. Well, except simply borrowing a friend's ipad. But I guess even just making a close enough friend who trusts them to lend an ipad is still a good skill

I don't know. Maybe kids can benefit from having some artificial boundaries that make them think outside the box and put in effort to overcome

Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by bogzz on Sunday July 27, 2025 @12:43PM (#44702561)
This is why I'm expanding my basement to make a much larger pitch-black labyrinth. If anyone knows where you can still buy minotaurs lmk pls.
Re:Don't give children under age 13 smartphones by turtlebits on Sunday July 27, 2025 @04:37PM (#44704484)
You dont need a smartphone to keep in touch.

I would argue a limited feature set (ie dumbphone) is better than placing restrictions a full featured device.