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Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by progbits on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:09AM (#44683308)
> blames ... regulation ... political ads transparency rules

Blame is a fun word to use. Poor Meta lawyers, need to do some work before accepting money to spread propaganda.

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by victorbjorklund on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:10AM (#44683322)
It is not just propaganda. Its also normal political parties that try to reach out to voters to inform them of their politics.
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by windward on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:46AM (#44683753)
Which definition of propaganda are you using that doesn't include this?
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by slightwinder on Friday July 25, 2025 @11:05AM (#44683982)
The common definition used these days is including a manipulative character. Just neutrally delivering information is not seen as manipulative. Though it's of course disputable which case something is.
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by pjc50 on Friday July 25, 2025 @11:23AM (#44684190)
In the UK this is regulated spend, except the rules weren't updated for social media and all sorts of dark money adverts started appearing.

The UK system gives both a minimum and a cap. Parties are entitled to a TV slot and I believe each candidate gets a free constituency mailshot as well. Beyond that the amount of money that can be spent is supposed to be capped.

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by MITSardine on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:18AM (#44683403)
An important issue is the lack of transparency in campaigning expenses, which are capped in several countries. This is the principle that underpins the Sarkozy-Kadhafi affair (illegal presidential campaign funding) or the Brexit Cambridge Analytica affair (though that goes beyond that).
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by mschuster91 on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:29AM (#44683534)
... or the German "Grüner Mist" scandal campaign in Germany in front of the 2021 federal elections [1].

[1] https://www.volksverpetzer.de/aktuelles/gruener-mist/

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by s1mplicissimus on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:38AM (#44683638)
> It is not just propaganda. Its also normal political parties that try to reach out to voters to inform them of their politics.

I wonder how I would be able to spot the difference in practice?

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by yifanl on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:42AM (#44683709)
It's propaganda if you disagree, and normal if you agree.
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by prasadjoglekar on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:17AM (#44683387)
Bingo; and one side's legitimate outreach appears to the other side to be blatant propaganda. Paid or unpaid. That's the normal nature of democracy; it's a contact sport.

It's better if people see all messages with proper attribution rather than an intermediary deciding what's allowed and what is not.

Incidentally, in the US at least, the old fashioned TV networks are require to offer all political candidates the same, lowest, media rates. PACs and outside money pay market rates.

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by barbazoo on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:30AM (#44683549)
No one sees the same political ads. Everyone sees a customized version of whatever lie they want to tell you. Get that shit out of the shadows and out in the public where everyone can see who says what. They shouldn’t be whispering what they want in everyone’s ears.
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by iamflimflam1 on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:43AM (#44683711)
This is the problem. When political messages are out in the open where everyone can see and challenge them it’s healthy.

When it’s whispers tailored to individuals playing on their hopes and fears…

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by littlestymaar on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:48AM (#44683774)
Paid political are a problem no matter what, because one shouldn't need half a billion dollar in ad budget before starting a campaign otherwise you end up in an oligarchy real quick.
Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by JumpCrisscross on Friday July 25, 2025 @10:23AM (#44683458)
> It's better if people see all messages with proper attribution

We’re talking about targeted ads on social media.

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by Barrin92 on Friday July 25, 2025 @11:27AM (#44684239)
>Paid or unpaid. That's the normal nature of democracy;

It isn't in Europe. Most European countries have limits on how much can be spend on political campaigning and when campaigning takes place, and the difference between the smallest and largest parties is within the same order of magnitude, this is so because if one can simply buy an election this has nothing to do with democracy, an equal competition of ideas unrelated to one's financial resources.

Democracy isn't a contact sport, it's not even a sport, it's intentional deliberation between ordinary people at an appropriate place and time. Turning politics into 24/7 live TV bread and circus entertainment is exactly what's destroying it.

Re:Meta to stop running political ads on Facebook and Instag... by bitshiftfaced on Friday July 25, 2025 @03:47PM (#44687539)
It looks like it's more about the technical limits that create uncertainty about how this could be enforced. From Google's article on it,

> For example, the TTPA defines political advertising so broadly that it could cover ads related to an extremely wide range of issues that would be difficult to reliably identify at scale. There is also a lack of reliable local election data permitting consistent and accurate identification of all ads related to any local, regional or national election across any of 27 EU Member States. And key technical guidance may not be finalized until just months before the regulation comes into effect.

- https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/political...