None of that applies in Serbia / Bosnia / Kosovo, as far as I can tell. That is more like a separatist movement situation like what you see in Kurdistan, Kashmir, etc.
Gaza is a competely separate country/territory. They have no connection to the modern Israeli state. If anything they should be asking for Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship since the majority have kin relationships and history from there.
How does that have anything to do with the conflict? Could there ever be 51% of Israeli citizens who are non-Jewish Arabs? That tells you why Israel will not extend rights to the majority of subjects under it's territorial control.
> Gaza is a competely separate country/territory
It is not. Israel does not recognize it as such, and Israel controls all the borders, all the electricity, all the water, all the Internet and essentially all the external commerce of the region, it even controls the waters off shore of the region.
But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response
Exactly. This only exposes the lack of accountability and the harmful stereotypes that led Nazi Germany and now lead Israel to committing a genocide.
The reason this looks like some tribal/racial/dominance thing is because these questions and conditions apply almost equally to the West Bank. There is video evidence of multiple settler pogroms in the West Bank.
All of the rest of the world sees basically the same violent conclusions. The only people making excuses for it are some Israelis the rest of the world refers to as extremists.
Palestine is used as a proxy by Iran to essentially wage war on Israel, because or a lack of better term, they are still salty about a different religious group being on "their" land (and to be accurate, was technically taken from them, but it was because they were on the losing side of WW1)
But Iran cannot engage in war directly, as they would be seen as aggressors.
Israel on the other hand is forced into basically a lose/lose/lose situation. Its either suck it up and wait for Oct 7 part deux to happen, be genocided themselves if one state is implemented, or be seen as the bad guys in pushing further and further, hoping to take over enough land to make the former 2 not an issue.
> Israel is forced
Again, that’s bullshit. Nobody is forcing Israel to be an asshole to their neighbors. Israel was the victim in 1967, nearly 60 years. It’s not 1967 anymore. A universal rule of life is if you don’t want people to think of you as an asshole then start by not being an asshole, not with a bunch of excuses and sad equivocations.
I suspect Israel would try much harder to be less of a belligerent asshole if they were placed on a weapons embargo. Israel is often seen as the bad guy, because their actions make them the bad guy.
If Israel really didn’t want Iran to use the Palestinian people as a puppet they could solve the problem by not giving the Palestinian people cause to be puppets. For example, Iran would lose all political influence around Israel if Israel annexed the Palestinian people with rights, protections, and citizenship.
I really don’t think Israel wants this issue solved. I really think it’s about tribalism and conquest. That’s why I cannot see any difference between Israel/Palestine and Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo. It’s all sociopathic tribalism with lots of military aggression against civilians while claiming to be victims.
>but how does that extend to the West Bank?
When your country history includes all of your surrounding neighbors going to war to try to exterminate you, and that sentiment hasn't changed, you are going to be probably very expansionist. Not that the west bank settlements are morally right and they certainly don't help the cause, but the actions are somewhat understandable.
>Again, that’s bullshit. Nobody is forcing Israel to be an asshole to their neighbors.
Oct 7th kinda is. Nothing really significant happened much other than minor land grabs in the West Bank and standard counter terrorism stuff with occasional rockets being launched by Hamas. Oct 7th highlighted the clear and present danger that still exists, where Hamas doesn't care about fighting a war and care more about killing non-muslims, civilians and military personnel alike.
> Israel is often seen as the bad guy, because their actions make them the bad guy.
Because most people who consume online media tend to only hear about the bad things Israel does. Goes back to the discussion about other genocides and how those are never talked. Like I said, the media narrative on this is insanely effective to make people polarized.
>Israel annexed the Palestinian people with rights, protections, and citizenship.
Try to be rational about this. The last thing they want is giving potential Hamas members or radical extremists free access to the country + citizenship. Majority of Palestinians are still pro Hamas.
>I really think it’s about tribalism and conquest.
Again, try to be rational. Is it tribalism, or do they just want a future where citizens don't have to worry about terrorist attacks or getting rocketed anymore? Its not like Israel never tried peaceful solutions - most all of them get shot down because Palestinians want "their" land back, or at the least in control of the majority of that region ("from the river to the sea") that puts Israel at a huge disadvantage and greater risks for attacks.
That’s exactly what Milosevic argued to justify attacking his neighbors. We have to get them before they get us
I am being rational and cannot imagine any justification for the complete eradication of Gaza or the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
If this is, after all, only about safety and security then why isn’t Israel annexing those people into citizenship? Rationally speaking it would eliminate most of the domestic threat simultaneously legally qualify the West Bank settlements. Again, it really appears Israel would rather have tribalism than security.
But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started.
Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually being exterminated by self-proclaimed jihadis (and Palestinian “refugees”) and the whole world is turning a blind eye while Israel desperately tries to prevent a larger catastrophe. Now the Syrian Druze are requesting to be annexed by Israel and to be under IDF protection. You don’t care about Palestinians, you just hate Jews.
Everyone else in the world.
I can use terms like complete eradication. What percentage of buildings in Gaza remain in safe enough conditions for people to live in? The entire strip looks like a flattened dust pile.
Yes, killing civilians is bad regardless of their identity. It seems like you are trying to shift ground to something unrelated because you have nothing of actual substance.
Now how is the conduct by Israel not tribal warfare on a nearly genocidal scale?
“I declare bankruptcy!” -Michael Scott
The term genocide was specifically coined to refer to what happened to the Jews during WWII, its meaning doesn’t change to fit your bigoted opinions. There has not been a complete eradication of anyone or anything in Gaza but Jews and that happened back in 2005.
Haters gonna hate. But your hatred and vile rhetoric don’t make you right. Hopefully HN will be less welcoming to this sort of offensive attitude.
Here are your starving gazans: https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 they have fresh fruit that looks perfectly ripe… so interesting that no aid is getting in and yet somehow they’re holding fruit I sometimes have trouble finding in my supermarket here in the US…
Before that news article CNN independently analyzed video evidence of that events gunfire to determine it came from the IDF. Where is the lie?
Why are you ignoring the facts and supporting genocide?
As always the question is for you: why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you want all the Jews to be killed?
Just so we’re clear I showed an actual video of Hamas with fresh fruit, the UN just shared a video of literal tons of aid they’re refusing to distribute. you shared a paywalled article quoting an anonymous source with zero verification.
There's overwhelming proof of intentional starvation in Gaza, by multiple different sources -- sources that don't agree with each other on pretty much anything else, by the way. Every major news outlet in the planet is reporting the same thing, but in your evil, twisted, human-hating logic, all of them are wrong and only the openly fascist government of Israel is right because they say so.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-humanitarian-aid-1.759176...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/we-faced-hunge...
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/world/gallery/photos-starvati...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/23/more-than-100-ngos-...
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/07/gaza-evidence...
https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-repo...
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165396
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat...
The UN has literal tons of food that they’re refusing to distribute. Hamas clearly has access to fresh fruit as recently as 2 days ago and yet they refuse to share any of it with their constituents. Egypt is refusing to allow anyone to leave Gaza as a refugee. When Israel and Trump proposed resettling the refugees temporarily until the war ended they were accused by you, the UN, and every single “humanitarian” org of ethnic cleansing.
Israel is not responsible for a problem they didn’t create, don’t want and are trying very hard to prevent and end. The only people responsible for this are the ones refusing to solve it unless it allows for a genocide of Jews.
The OP and you are both determined to only consider solutions that allow for further Arab colonization and may result in the death of millions of Jews. This is why I accuse you of genocide.
I will also add, Israel is not responsible for the health and welfare of even a single Gazan citizen, that responsibility falls on Hamas, so literally anything Israel does to help the gazan citizenry is already going above and beyond. If you have a problem with the welfare of Hamas’s constituents, take it up with them. Tell them to unconditionally surrender and return the kidnapped hostages. Instead of agitating for the wholesale slaughter of Jews.
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
That's all there is to it - pure propaganda. No data, no evidence, no science, just pure, unadulterated propaganda from half a century ago, still very much alive and kicking.
I wasn’t directly referencing that but it’s literally the strongest proof, data, evidence science that she was 10000% right. Stop defending monsters because you literally have no clue what you’re talking about.
Most gazans very clearly would rather the war continue bec they get free food and the possibility to kill Jews.
> most gazans[sic] were attempting to lynch the hostages.
I hope this gets you banned from HN.
Here in America we call that a lynch mob.
Maybe you should stop with the bigotry apologism.
> most gazans[sic] were attempting to lynch the hostages.
This is a lie, and its worse, it is a genocidal lie. Most Palestinians in Gaza were at home, at work, or in school, with varying support and opposition for these actions. You are doing racist generalization over a whole population who are currently victims of an ongoing genocide. What you are doing here is inhumane and disgusting. If you are only banned for this behavior you are getting off lightly. Propagandizing a genocide is banned by law in most jurisdiction and in a just world you would face legal consequences for this.
Consider that your own personal feelings are preventing you from observing reality from an unbiased perspective. You seem to go around inserting yourself into old comment threads about Israel calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you racist and genocidal. Please calm down. Just because I don’t hate Jews it doesn’t make me genocidal. In fact it’s very much the opposite, I’m anti genocide. You appear to be in support of genocide with your false claims that Jews are genocidal.
I know I am not following the HN guidelines over here, and that my behavior in searching for mentions of Israel and calling people out for their worst speech is neither healthy nor helpful. But what you are doing here is spreading genocidal rhetoric, racism, propaganda and hate is far worse. The post which I replied to is far from your worst offense. And you seem to be getting more radicalized and racist in your posts as the genocide continues. I don‘t think you can recover from your hateful beliefs at this point, and I don‘t think there is a point in talking you out of it. So my only hope is that you will be stripped of opportunities from distributing your genocidal hate on platforms like HN.
This type of rhetoric is not only historically rooted in prejudice, but it also fuels the rise in antisemitic incidents around the world. For example, a recent incident involving a group of Jewish French children being racially targeted and removed from a flight, based on completely fabricated claims that contradict eyewitness testimony, is a chilling reminder of where this kind of hostility leads. These children were interrogated about their ties to Israel, simply because they were visibly Jewish. The Spanish foreign minister then added to the fire by asking if the Spanish people would be patriotic or believe evil Israeli zionists, (again these were French Jews many of whom had never been to Israel.) echoing the Dreyfus affair and other blood libels.
You spreading completely, provably false claims of genocide and violence doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It emboldens bigots and reinforces the belief that Jews, wherever they are, are somehow deserving of suspicion or punishment for existing.
Many people hate Israel not because of any policy disagreement, but because it represents one of the few places where Jews feel they have agency and safety in a world that has repeatedly failed to protect them. That safety, unfortunately, is what some find threatening.
Nothing I’ve said promotes hate or genocide, quite the opposite. My concern is with protecting people from the real harm that comes from false accusations and malicious stereotypes. It’s important to recognize when the line between legitimate criticism and dangerous rhetoric has been crossed, and to speak up when it happens.
That is what I am doing. Denying the Gaza Genocide (which is still ongoing as of today) is dangerous and hateful rhetoric, and I am calling you out on it. You have also demonstrated anti-Palestinian hate and anti-Palestinian racism in a more broader sense. I don‘t think you will stop doing that until you are banned.
Note that I am talking about you specifically, not any ethno-religious group you belong to. Whatever you are doing has no implication on your ethno-religious group as a whole.
EDIT: For the record, human rights group inside Israel even call this a genocide. There is only one reason for your genocide denial, and that reason is grounded in hate towards the group who are victims of genocide. And I am really disappointed in HN for allowing this kind of extreme rhetoric to persist here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/7/28/israeli-r...
Said by someone openly defending what is universally understood as genocide (Gaza) and colonization (West Bank). Peak doublethink. Peak evil.
So when the US government repeatedly calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine illegal, you are saying they are wrong, right?
"Two years ago, Russian forces launched an illegal and indefensible all-out invasion of Ukraine"
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/368495...
Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.
For example the current US ambassador to Israel just announced that France will be partitioned into two states, one for France and one for Palestine, France isn’t bound by that.
In Israel case, its "we have to get them so they don't get us again". Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
Not sure why you haven't bothered to read the rest of my comment as I addressed your two other points.
But, let’s make this even less difficult. Is the goal here security or dominance? Security suggests reducing hostilities but dominance suggests removing a group of people from an area of land. I really don’t see any reduction of hostilities.
Because the biggest world superpower that claims to be all about "freedom" is the sponsor of this one, not a rogue, sanctioned state somewhere
Its not the genocide aspect - there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction. Don't think its anti antisemitism either, as you don't see a lot of narratives that come with traditional rhetoric of that type.
Whoever is pushing media out on this is must have figured something out in the format to make people this polarized.