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Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by righthand on Sunday July 20, 2025 @11:04AM (#44625858)
It’s weird that programmers will champion paying for Llm but not ad-free web search.
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by positron26 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @11:56AM (#44626411)
Ad-free search doesn't by itself produce a unique product. It's just a product that doesn't have noise, noise that people with attention spans and focus don't experience at all.

Local models are not quite there yet. For now, use the evil bad tools to prepare for the good free tools when they do get there. It's a self-correcting form of technical debt that we will never have to pay down.

Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by righthand on Sunday July 20, 2025 @12:14PM (#44626593)
“To prepare for the good free tools”

Why do I have to prepare? Once the good free tools are available, it should just work no?

Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by positron26 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @09:02PM (#44630856)
It should not be shocking that we do things better the more we do them. The designs take time to emerge. Experience makes better ideas develop.

As an Emacs user, I anticipate further programming to refine how the glove fits the hand. The solutions we will want as individuals have a lot of dispersion, so I cannot rely on others for everything.

There are plenty of times where I download what others have written and use it as it is, within the bounds of some switches and knobs. Do you want to have such a hands off approach with your primary interface to a computer?

Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by haiku2077 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @11:33AM (#44626168)
I pay for search and have convinced several of my collaborators to do so as well
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by righthand on Sunday July 20, 2025 @12:16PM (#44626610)
I think the dev population mostly uses free search, just based on the fact no one has told me to “Kagi it” yet.
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by haiku2077 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @12:24PM (#44626699)
When I need a facial tissue I ask for a Kleenex even if the box says Puffs. Because who says "pass me the Puffs"?
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by righthand on Sunday July 20, 2025 @04:07PM (#44628839)
I say “tissue” and “web search” so you’re talking to the wrong guy with that. Even though growing up everyone around me has said Kleenex and Google.
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by martsa1 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @01:56PM (#44627578)
I've been curious of that phenomenon, why not juat ask "pass me a tissue?"
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by righthand on Sunday July 20, 2025 @03:58PM (#44628773)
Good old American brand loyalty.
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by haiku2077 on Sunday July 20, 2025 @03:02PM (#44628257)
Cuz all the adults around me called it a Kleenex when I was growing up and I've internalized the word for that kind of tissue is Kleenex
Re:Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 (an update) by conradkay on Sunday July 20, 2025 @12:44PM (#44626885)
They have adblock