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Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by ilamont on Sunday July 13, 2025 @10:45AM (#44550806)
Wow. What a great story. An in translation, no less. The Greek translator must have been very talented.

(Kind of curious now ... were the other translated editions in non-English languages as powerful? Do readers of science fiction in other languages seek out works by specific translators or publishers known to have great translations?)

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by chrisweekly on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:24PM (#44551956)
"translated by GPT"
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by grujicd on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:32PM (#44551995)
I believe parent was talking about translated book, not about the comment.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by mortos on Sunday July 13, 2025 @02:49PM (#44552528)
I'm fairly certain their post is translated, they said the received the book in 1993 which predates GPT by at least a couple years
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by olddustytrail on Sunday July 13, 2025 @05:16PM (#44553803)
I think they're talking about both the comment being translated by ChatGPT and that the book was a Greek translation of Neuromancer.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by daremon on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:19PM (#44554295)
Yes exactly, I had this story written in Greek and used GPT to translate it. The Greek edition I read was from 1989.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by chrisweekly on Sunday July 13, 2025 @11:10PM (#44556072)
Respectfully, they wrote,

"Sorry for the long post (translated by GPT as it was originally in Greek)."

It seems unambiguous to me, they were referring to their own posted comment.

Edited to add: they also confirmed same in this thread.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by unsigner on Sunday July 13, 2025 @05:34PM (#44553941)
The Bulgarian translation I read was a valiant effort by a guy who ran the Bulgarian "science fiction and fantasy BBS".

(Yes, that kind of BBS, with the dial-up modems, XMODEM/YMODEM/ZMODEM etc.)

(Yes, it was mostly for pirating books in the form of badly OCR-ed TXT files, and occasionally discussing them.)

Apparently at some point he decided he needs to bring Gibson to the non-English speaking part of the population and... I don't remember the translation as being "good", but it definitely was "bold".

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by gessha on Sunday July 13, 2025 @09:50PM (#44555690)
Is there a place that has stories about Bulgarian BBS?
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by Bluestein on Monday July 14, 2025 @03:37PM (#44564381)
Heck, I'll take BBSs in general.-
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by SonOfLilit on Sunday July 13, 2025 @05:35PM (#44553950)
Russian culture considers translated (I think) Shakespeare to surpass the original. We Israelis also had one of our more famous poets (Alterman) translate some Shakespeare but I'm not aware of the translation being considered a masterpiece on its own (personally it felt too archaic to appreciate).

We have two translations of Lord of the Rings (Tolkien fans being one of the more picky bunches of book geeks here, I'll refer to it in depth.) The older one, by Lavnit, is considered more beautiful and poetic and flowing (my nick comes from it though I was never much of a Tolkien geek, just hung out with them - Elves were translated into the Sons of Lillith from Hebrew mythology, and my mother's name is Lillith...). It's also long out of print and goes for (lowish I believe) collector prices. The newer one by Dr Emanuel Lotem is more... I don't know, academic maybe would be the word? Anyway, the Tolkien community hates him so much that he's one of their main memes. He also translated Dragonlance, which I grew up with, so I had no ill will towards him myself, and at some point I realized he's the one who managed to translate the Illuminatus! trilogy, which is... quite a feat. I wouldn't expect it to be translatable. So now I hold a deep appreciation for him.

The local Harry Potter geeks treated the translator as a minor celeb.

Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any other translators that are held in special regard.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by felipeerias on Sunday July 13, 2025 @07:39PM (#44554816)
Translations are a very subjective matter because the emotional punch of a story is far greater when it is speaking to you in your mother tongue.

Shakespeare is perhaps impossible to translate properly to Spanish, just like Don Quijote to English, and yet we keep doing it because even the small glimpse afforded by the translation gives you an idea of the greatness behind it.

Funnily, I’ve always found the Spanish translation of the Lord of the Rings significantly more readable than the original, perhaps because Tolkien went out of his way to write in an old form of English that is a bit too distant for me. Or maybe it is because I read the story in my youth and re-reading it is a way to recapture some of the wonder that I felt then.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by bmacho on Monday July 14, 2025 @03:52AM (#44557460)
Translations can be easily just better than the 'original'. The translator is a better artist. Have better music inside him, knows better words (or: better words exist in the target language), maybe even shifts focus, although that's the job of an editor. It is not very common to reedit books and call it a translation, but those happen too.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by Andrew_nenakhov on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:25PM (#44554332)
> Russian culture considers translated (I think) Shakespeare to surpass the original.

Can't say about Shakespeare, there are many translations, and in my eyes all of them lack something that the original has, but Russian translations of such writers as O'Henry, F.S. Fitzgerald and Jack London have some irresistible charm and familiarity that is completely absent in original English texts.

I attribute it to censorship: many talented writers couldn't actually write because of it in soviet times, and to provide for themselves they took jobs as translators.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by GauntletWizard on Sunday July 13, 2025 @05:45PM (#44554035)
I only read Shakespeare in the original Klingon
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by shagie on Monday July 14, 2025 @09:54AM (#44560309)
I recall getting that book...

One of the challenges with Khamlet is that Klingon originally had no state of being verb - it was part of the word itself rather than a bare "I am {something}". Thus "to be or not to be" was never something that was translatable in the original Klingon language and it had to be updated.

Glancing at Amazon, there appears to be a release of Sunzi's Art of War from 2018.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by mikhailfranco on Tuesday July 15, 2025 @01:06AM (#44567985)
I only read Shakespeare in C:

   Ox2b | ~0x2B
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by daremon on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:17PM (#44554282)
He really tried IMO. Actually I wrote this story to him, the translator of the Greek edition when I happened to find him on Facebook. He told me he felt he didn't do justice to the original work and always felt a bit bad.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by MonkeyClub on Monday July 14, 2025 @11:32AM (#44561386)
Γεια σου, πατριώτη! (Hello, compariot!)

I think I read the same text in a 1996 reprint some years later, in 1999 - coincidentally also during my last year of highschool with impending doom^Wexams afoot.

Definitely mind-expanding, and helped shape my early cyberpunk tastes, though it didn't get me hitched :)

I do think the translation was excellent, he definitely must have put hard work and passion into it!

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by daremon on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:29PM (#44554360)
Generally I don't like translations. After the Internet became a thing and Amazon started shipping to Greece (probably after 2000) I never read Greek translations of English literature again.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by astrolx on Monday July 14, 2025 @02:27AM (#44557030)
In French, I find that translations of Edgard Allan Poe by Baudelaire are really nice. I enjoy them as much as the original version. Sci-fi translations of US science fiction classics (Orwell, Bradbury etc..) are usually excellent too. I find myself re-reading these books in French and/or English according to mood.

On the other hans, I find that French translators usually utterly fail to capture the dry kind humor from British authors. From Jane Austen to Lord of the Rings, it reads so serious in French translations!!