Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by ceejayoz on Friday July 11, 2025 @05:03PM
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Solar fluctuates too; there's not much at night.
This largely means we have to build a bit more of each, and store some.
The chances of an entire continent being devoid of wind and solar for an extended period becomes vanishingly small pretty fast.
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by bryanlarsen on Friday July 11, 2025 @05:31PM
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There is a paper floating around showing that for both US+Canada and the continental EU there has never been a single hour where there has been no wind and no sun somewhere in a 30 year period.
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by Animats on Friday July 11, 2025 @06:09PM
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> There is a paper floating around
This needs a better cite.
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by lukan on Friday July 11, 2025 @08:19PM
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I mean, would you believe it the other way around?
Someone claiming, there was a day with no wind and no sun in whole north america in the last 30 years?
I wouldn't believe that. But concrete data to have, is of course better than assuming ..
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by Animats on Saturday July 12, 2025 @01:29AM
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Here's the CAISO wind graph. This is the total wind energy from four large states. Note that the low point is 1/7 that of the peak, which is around noon.[1] Here's the PJM wind graph.[2] Low point is about 1/4 the peak, again, around local noon.
It just doesn't "average out" across even a sizable country.
[1] https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
[2] https://dataviewer.pjm.com/dataviewer/pages/public/wind.jsf
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La...
by ceejayoz on Saturday July 12, 2025 @09:31AM
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Now click the demand view.
It goes dramatically up and down on a daily pattern, too.
For the US PJM (US east coast and midwest) and CAISO (California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada) grid areas, total wind power fluctuates over a 4:1 range on a daily basis. Both grids post dashboards where you can see this. Averaging out wind over a large area does not help all that much.