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Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by lukan on Friday July 11, 2025 @02:57PM (#44535751)
I don't think you will find a day where there is no sun and no wind in all of europe. The costal areas usually gave constant wind and the south constant sun.

And we do have and build much more high voltage transmission lines.

And otherwise there is no technical limit to build lots of rare earth free batteries. Once they are common in allmost every household and once electric cars can be used for that, too, I don't see any technical problem.

It takes time and investment of course. And pragmatism till we are there. I don't like coal plants, but I am not in favor of just shutting them down now.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by Animats on Friday July 11, 2025 @04:25PM (#44536479)
> I don't think you will find a day where there is no sun and no wind in all of europe.

For the US PJM (US east coast and midwest) and CAISO (California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada) grid areas, total wind power fluctuates over a 4:1 range on a daily basis. Both grids post dashboards where you can see this. Averaging out wind over a large area does not help all that much.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by ceejayoz on Friday July 11, 2025 @05:03PM (#44536757)
Solar fluctuates too; there's not much at night.

This largely means we have to build a bit more of each, and store some.

The chances of an entire continent being devoid of wind and solar for an extended period becomes vanishingly small pretty fast.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by bryanlarsen on Friday July 11, 2025 @05:31PM (#44536959)
There is a paper floating around showing that for both US+Canada and the continental EU there has never been a single hour where there has been no wind and no sun somewhere in a 30 year period.
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by Animats on Friday July 11, 2025 @06:09PM (#44537263)
> There is a paper floating around

This needs a better cite.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by lukan on Friday July 11, 2025 @08:19PM (#44538138)
I mean, would you believe it the other way around?

Someone claiming, there was a day with no wind and no sun in whole north america in the last 30 years?

I wouldn't believe that. But concrete data to have, is of course better than assuming ..

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by Animats on Saturday July 12, 2025 @01:29AM (#44539560)
Here's the CAISO wind graph. This is the total wind energy from four large states. Note that the low point is 1/7 that of the peak, which is around noon.[1] Here's the PJM wind graph.[2] Low point is about 1/4 the peak, again, around local noon.

It just doesn't "average out" across even a sizable country.

[1] https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply

[2] https://dataviewer.pjm.com/dataviewer/pages/public/wind.jsf

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by ceejayoz on Saturday July 12, 2025 @09:31AM (#44541936)
Now click the demand view.

It goes dramatically up and down on a daily pattern, too.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by Animats on Sunday July 13, 2025 @11:28PM (#44556181)
The demand curve and the wind curve are not synchronized in any way. Solar at least peaks with peak air conditioning load.
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by ceejayoz on Monday July 14, 2025 @09:47AM (#44560217)
If only we could store some energy for a while!
Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by ajsnigrutin on Friday July 11, 2025 @08:35PM (#44538238)
Every night there is no sun, and there are many times where there is not enough wind for all of our needs.

...or we can just build nuclear powerplants, no need for millions of batteries, power at night too, and all it takes is removing a few "greens" from their position of power.

Re:In a First, Solar Was Europe's Biggest Source of Power La... by ben_w on Saturday July 12, 2025 @03:56AM (#44540185)
Need the batteries regardless for the cars, and the scale of cars' needs exceeds the current use of the electricity grid.