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Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by leoqa on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:31AM (#44444214)
I have been paying about (premium lost from rolling puts) 1k/month for the last 4 months to short Tesla. I made about 12k on the last dip so I’m profitable but I’m just waiting for the bubble to burst. Today I doubled down when it went up, hoping to one day see it fail.
Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by cbeach on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:41AM (#44444363)
Whereas on the other hand I've gained handsomely from holding Tesla stock for many years, and plan to hold it for many more years.

It feels good to support American-made sustainable technology that has revolutionised the electric car and battery storage markets.

I struggle to understand those who would short-sell Tesla, unless they have some kind of emotional hangup against Elon Musk or government efficiency?

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by TimorousBestie on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:49AM (#44444464)
> I struggle to understand those who would short-sell Tesla, unless they have some kind of emotional hangup against Elon Musk or government efficiency?

It’s objectively clear that the company is in a bad market condition, and you don’t need to have an “emotional hangup against Elon Musk or government efficiency” to know it’s bad business to alienate your potential customer base and deliver shockingly bad public appearances.

If Ford’s CEO was stumbling-down drunk or higher than a kite at a presser, I’d short Ford too.

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by cbeach on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:58AM (#44444569)
Musk was never a conventional squeeky-clean ultra-safe stage-managed CEO that speaks through a media team.

That didn't stop him from raising the value of $TSLA from a penny stock to one of the largest companies in the world.

With his initial investment, and with him as the product architect of the first Tesla vehicle (the Roadster), he transformed an academic project with no products to the world's most valuable automaker.

An automaker so valuable, it's worth more than Toyota, BYD, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes, Ford and Honda COMBINED.

People have shorted $TSLA before because they underestimated Musk, and let their own personal affectations cloud their understanding of Tesla's potential, and Musk's singular genius.

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:01AM (#44444602)
> An automaker so valuable, it's worth more than Toyota, BYD, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes, Ford and Honda COMBINED.

This doesn't give you the slightest bit of pause?

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by TimorousBestie on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @12:13PM (#44445496)
It can’t; this is how meme stocks operate. If too many traders examine their motives and revert to trading rationally, the stock price corrects accordingly.
Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by robocat on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:20PM (#44451002)
> meme stock

Poor explanation since ~50% stock is owned by institutions.

I think retail holds 38% of ownership.

Rest of ownership is mostly Elon ~13%.

indexed fund ownership doesn't explain institutional holdings. Tesla is 5% of NASDAQ 100 by market cap. Vanguard owns 7.7%, BlackRock owns 6.4%.

Disclaimer: not a financial analyst and I might have numbers wrong (mostly from Tiger Trading App).

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by fossuser on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:11AM (#44444725)
The silver lining is as long as these people exist and continue to be wrong (which seems like it’ll be forever given no amount of Tesla success gets them to update their position) there will be money to be made.
Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by jqpabc123 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @12:26PM (#44445641)
An automaker so valuable, it's worth more than Toyota, BYD, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes, Ford and Honda COMBINED.

Yes. Wildly overvalued for an automaker that it has never accounted for more than 2% of light vehicles world wide --- and instead of the wild growth projections they sold to investors, sales over the last 2 years have actually declined.

Any "potential" here remains largely unrealized.

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by rsynnott on Thursday July 03, 2025 @03:33AM (#44452561)
> An automaker so valuable, it's worth more than Toyota, BYD, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes, Ford and Honda COMBINED.

... I mean, that's exactly why one might short it, surely? Clearly, this cannot be the case; the valuation makes no sense, and no bubble lasts forever, so one could reasonably expect it to return to reality at some point. Of course, as always the real difficulty is figuring out _when_ that happens ahead of time.

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by jqpabc123 on Thursday July 03, 2025 @09:42AM (#44454988)
Exactly!

Tesla is currently priced as if it is the predominate auto manufacturer. It should be obvious by now that this is pure hype and fantasy.

Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by Hamuko on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:42AM (#44444379)
What exactly have you gained from holding?
Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by cbeach on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:01AM (#44444591)
I own stock that is worth many times what I paid for it, and any time I want to, I can exchange the stock for cash. Unless perhaps I missed something about how the stock market works?
Re:Tesla reports 14% decline in deliveries, marking second y... by foogazi on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:33PM (#44448514)
> I struggle to understand those who would short-sell Tesla, unless they have some kind of emotional hangup against Elon Musk

Wait, do you have an emotional hangup FOR Elon Musk ?

> or government efficiency?

Is this satire ?